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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and our guest today is all the way from

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mexico city

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and uh he's known uh for his objectivity

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on the

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ufo topic i've heard him talk before

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and a lot i've heard about him over the

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years reached out to him

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back a number of years ago when he

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couldn't actually make it on the show

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because he was working

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during the hours of this show and kovit

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comes along and has some blessings for a

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couple of things i guess and this is one

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of them

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he's on the show tonight and uh

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he's also known uh it's miguel romero

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he's also known for

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uh as the otherwise known as the red

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pill junkie

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and for those non-matrix movie fans

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or anyone that has not watched that

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movie that's in a reference

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it's in reference to the red pill which

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was supposed to be for

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unpleasant or otherwise life-changing

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truth

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and it would show you how deep down the

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rabbit hole

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goes that type of thing a little bit of

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housekeeping

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tonight i'll start out on a little bit

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of a negative note but

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if you ordered a t-shirt from us

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recently please forward your

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order to me martin at podcastufo.com

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and i will return your money the service

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we were using

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uh for merchandise nimble it's uh nymbl

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dot io uh has been taking uh

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orders taking money and not filling out

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the orders

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all the way back since the first week of

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it's upsetting it's frustrating i've

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been trying to work with them

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keep getting excuses so today i unhook

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them from the website

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and i'll gladly return your money just

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please forward that uh to me

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and uh also uh now getting

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to better things um i was looking at the

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democrat

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demographics of listeners on our website

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and i decided i'd try to do something

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fun if you were up for it if you were a

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listener

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or a watcher as it is here on youtube

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um either or uh please send me a picture

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either of yourself or a place that you

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represent

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and your first name and location and i

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set up an

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email address just for that gps at

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and uh it'll be in the show notes you

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can just click on it or it's down in

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the youtube text as well and just your

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first name where you're from

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and send a picture along and i've

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a page on the website that's

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podcastufo.com

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and it's under extra so if you want to

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check that out we have a few people

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that sent us some things great blog this

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week by charles lear

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as usual a medal from the ufo

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is the title to that and he really dives

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into the supposed ufo

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crash materials things like that so

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check that out over at our website if

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you support the show i want to thank you

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very much

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oh yes and by the way next week we have

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longest-serving

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chair of harvard's department of

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astronomy and he'll be discussing his

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the first sign of intelligent life

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beyond earth so that should be

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get your questions ready for that show

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next week

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and here we go welcome to the show

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miguel

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hola and

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thank you thank you for having me yes uh

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yeah i'm

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glad you know you look like you dress

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kind of warm isn't it is it

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still cool down there i mean i know you

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had a little bit of a cool spell down

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yeah well not as bad as us our friends

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texas yeah right here

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but yeah right now it's kind of chilly

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and and i decided to put on

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this flannel shirt yeah yeah

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i've heard you talk before i think you

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have a lot of really you make a lot of

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really good points

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and uh so if you would for the

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uh someone who hasn't heard you before

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can you give a little bit of your

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background and what gets you interested

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i know you're interested in other things

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but mostly the ufo topic

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i'm a 47 year old mexican

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who was born in 1973

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uh some people referred to that year as

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the year of the humanoids because there

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was a lot of interesting

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ufo activity i know that you had calvin

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yeah the previous show and obviously

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that famous pascagoula event happened

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in 1973 uh almost uh

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like a few days after my my birth

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but uh yeah as a as a child of the 80s

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i was very much influenced by

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the movies by steven spielberg you know

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close encounters of the third kind

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e.t the extraterrestrial cocoon

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and all of that so always being

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fascinated

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by the idea of

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life elsewhere in the universe right i

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most of us approach this subject

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first from the extraterrestrial

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hypothesis or eth contemplating idea

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that yeah the ufo phenomena

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the likeliest explanation is that

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you know there are spacecraft coming

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from other planets

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visiting us so here for whatever reason

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exploration scientific purposes maybe

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invariation hollywood loves to to to

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spin on that

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i happened to watch this uh tv

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program the the spa the mexican version

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60 minutes so centa minutos and there

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was this young producer in that

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show called jaime mausan

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they presented a whole episode

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based on on on the footage from this

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uh swiss uh contactee edward billymeyer

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and to a young impressionable uh

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child as myself seeing those

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images not just the the the

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still photos but also the movies that

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my mayor was producing you know those

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metallic perfect gleaming

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uh saucers with the backdrop of the

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it was really really captivating

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the billy mayor

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and i became much more skeptical

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but as to answer your question those

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age and for reasons that i really can't

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i decided to stick with it you know even

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you just mentioned jaime and uh jaime

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i'm probably you know i can't pronounce

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it completely right

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but um he was uh

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he was involved in i remember during

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uh filming of a total eclipse down there

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have never heard about that

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um do you remember exactly what happened

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yeah i was in my senior

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year of high school and some

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friends of mine and i we decided to

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leave the city because there were uh

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weather reports warning that

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there might be an overcast

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on the over the city in that day so

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there might not be a chance to actually

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watch this once in a lifetime

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uh solar eclipse so we decided to go

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elsewhere and when i returned to my

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surprise

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all over the news there was this

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mentions that people had captured

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ufos over mexico city and also it

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moussan was making the rounds especially

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talk show program that they used to

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usted keopina and what do you think was

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who like larry king he figured out that

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ufos were

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incredibly important and

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incredibly uh popular so even i remember

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that show had a run that lasted

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i think 11 hours you know the whole

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talking about ufos and and the typical

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like moussan and the believers in one

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and the skeptics on the other and

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attacking moussan

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and back in those days i was a huge fan

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of my son you know i was like one of

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those guys who

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rooted for him and i've and i thought

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everything he did was wonderful i wanted

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to join his group of

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sky watchers called los vigilantes you

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know people that spent

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hours hours at a time on the rooftops

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doing nothing but waiting to see if ufos

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will appear and some of them actually

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managed to capture interesting footage

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i think that because now sam became like

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the go-to

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guy for ufo videos in mexico

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right like he became like the the the

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biggest uh

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collector of ufo evidence and obviously

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everything in the ufo world i'm sure

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that 90

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of those videos can be easily

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explainable

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as i don't know flares balloons whatever

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i'm sure that even with mouse and

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there's still a 10

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of videos that deserve for their

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now here's uh someone just posting this

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uh they captured balloons that day

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is that they didn't but did they capture

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balloons is that what that was

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some people had said they were miler

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balloons you know

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and i'm i'm really not not sure if milor

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balloons were actually

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available in mexico uh back in those

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and also you have to take into account

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those objects were stationary they

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didn't move they didn't

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like like like you will expect of a

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balloon to move uh and moussan

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tried to do some kind of like uh video

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analysis that you might agree

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with it or not i i

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am i'm still willing to entertain the

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possibility that those

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were the genuine anomalous objects

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now steve the same guy steven's coming

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back saying balloons in front of the

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helicopter

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wow never heard that one but uh yeah

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i've never had that that

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theory too i mean some people i remember

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skeptics saying no that was a planet

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venus

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yeah i heard that i heard that one um so

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i'm going to ask you a pointed question

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and that is uh how do you feel about

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jaimin was saying

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now uh well like like i'm saying

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i wouldn't be talking to you today

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martin if it weren't for

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for mausan for better or worse he was

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the one that

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like lit that

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candle of interest inside of me and

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you know and for many years i worshiped

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the guy

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as the years progressed i i began to

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notice

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that some of the videos that he promoted

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uh there were people showing

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compelling evidence that they were not

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uh actual ufos that they had a another

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type of explanation uh

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[Music]

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and i began to question you know

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the kind of like evidence he was

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presented like trying to

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that maybe he wasn't as discerning or

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as skeptical as he should have been

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at the same time i i think that's kind

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of like

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what often happens with people in this

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field that stay here for so long

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and they have this need to keep like

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feeding the beast

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yeah as it were with new content because

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the people say okay

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yeah i've seen that video like hundreds

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of times like

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like right now us with the navy videos

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you know if i see those

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the flir video one more time i'm gonna

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throw up like oh good i'm gonna see if i

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can download it

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like okay enough show me more show me

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something new and and obviously

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uh moussan being in the tv background

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understands that i see like

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people need fresh content and i think

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that's the reason why he

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began to show content that

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he shouldn't have shown

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and i think that that's kind of like

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changes your perspective maybe perhaps

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you become

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uh i don't want to say gullible or behi

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more

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like not discerning to whether

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the information you are seeing is

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actually

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you know uh real or not and

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i mean remember what happened like six

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years ago

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with the infamous roswell slides yeah i

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was going to bring that up

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you know i was there actually i was you

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were

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mexican city yeah at the national

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auditorium

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i was there with mike i mean with one of

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my cousins with there we went there and

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there was

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the play was packed you know thousands

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of people who

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paid good money to see moussan

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and don schmidt and

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and don schmidt partner i remember his

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name right now and there was also

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rich dolan and then showing the slides

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and and saying these like oh yeah the

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the the

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the government analyzed the placard and

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they were

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not able to to to decipher the meaning

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and

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you know less than 24 hours later

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the roswell slides team who were

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composed of uh people like

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paul kimba and court collins and other

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ones they deciphered it

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you know using you know yes you know

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uh because of my background and

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you know going to a lot of museums and

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things like that as soon as i saw that

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i saw that image i went oh i was so

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disappointed

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yeah because i i was waiting for

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something like unbelievable

397
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yeah you know it was such a build up

398
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remember how it leaked

399
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even you know like weeks before they had

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the show

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uh someone managed to grab

402
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uh a very grainy version of the

403
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oh yes out of the trailer because they

404
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weren't careful enough

405
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and people saying that's it this is you

406
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know this is their

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their big evidence and they began to poo

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it

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and i remember the people who started to

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to question the evidence were attacked

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by anthony bragalia who

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a lot of people he was involved in that

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yeah he's recently

414
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you have to take caution unfortunately

415
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there are those people you know for the

416
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i'd say to the people that are just

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getting into this topic

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there are some people you have to be

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careful with

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if you're looking into what they're

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doing yeah the wheel to believe

422
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is so strong yes even even among

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the people like in the other side of the

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company the investigators they are

425
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so trying to find the

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smoking gun the silver bullet that will

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finally confirm

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what they've been saying for all these

429
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years that yeah

430
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aliens are here ufos are real and the

431
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government knows all of that about them

432
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that sometimes that uh

433
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clouds their judgment and they show this

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evidence that to anyone will say

435
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well that just looks like uh like a

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mummy in

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some kind of cheap museum exhibit and to

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them

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from that perspective no that has to be

440
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can only be explained as uh a corpse

441
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a body from the roswell crash

442
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yeah yeah it's kind of amazing how they

443
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took that leap

444
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anyone would take that leap i mean i it

445
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was basically found in an attic and a

446
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bottom of a drawer

447
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in some estate and you know i'm cleaning

448
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out addicts

449
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all the time and things like that and i

450
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i found a foot locker from a

451
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retired fbi agent that had the mj 12

452
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documents and

453
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copies of it it doesn't mean that it's

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anything

455
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except no uh it was probably some he had

456
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an interest in it or whatever it is you

457
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,480
know yeah but

458
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the connecting the dots that they were

459
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these guys were trying to do

460
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oh but these uh kodachromes belong

461
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to this couple who were connected to

462
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:57,919
eisenhower ergo you know and it's like

463
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from going from one to two to eleven

464
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you know without yeah without proper

465
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proper connecting the

466
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the line yeah i i do wanna talk a little

467
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bit about you

468
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,080
you mentioned just a few minutes ago um

469
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because i think it's important i'm

470
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:16,400
seeing a couple of comments in the uh

471
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in our chat it's important to to

472
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let the person that's getting interested

473
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in this

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uh as i said there are some people you

475
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have to watch but you said

476
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a very good term they have to feed feed

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the machine or feed the cash cow or

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whatever it is

479
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you know like um things have dried up

480
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you had a flap in mexico

481
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i want to talk about that too but i'm

482
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just saying um

483
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i've seen it happen i've only been at

484
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this for a short period of time only

485
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:48,640
11 years or so really looking into this

486
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deeply since i had my sighting and

487
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i just feel is that i've that i have

488
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seen

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my for myself that if someone like

490
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starts losing

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ground maybe they're not getting invited

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to

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speak anymore or maybe the book is

494
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you know passe at this point or

495
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something like that

496
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they seem to reinvent themselves to try

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to become

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significant and therefore are not as

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cautious as they were

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kind of like jaime um obviously did over

501
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the years

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and uh you know it's it's just

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i i don't know i guess it's human nature

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in a way but

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um i would rather stick with the people

506
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like you know i mean stan freeman never

507
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did anything like that

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i don't think you know i mean he made i

509
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i don't know about the uh

510
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mj-12 documents he did believe in those

511
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for one right

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yeah yeah he that he decided to die on

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that hill

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that the engineer papers were real yeah

515
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uh but other than that you know he

516
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didn't try to

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you know produce things make things yeah

518
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what they weren't

519
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:59,919
you know yeah i mean and maybe he didn't

520
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:00,840
want to

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uh look into the evidence that

522
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would put into question

523
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the idea that the ufos are of

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extraterrestrial origin

525
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right because he was he was a nuclear

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physicist

527
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and he thought that uh beings that were

528
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you know a couple of hundreds of years

529
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ahead of us

530
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:27,200
could easily make the trip from a planet

531
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like

532
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seta reticuli you know to earth

533
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and when people say well stan

534
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what about this other evidence what

535
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,760
about this and what about the high

536
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,200
strangeness and what about

537
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,760
this other stuff and sometimes say well

538
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:43,679
look you know i'm not interested in that

539
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,080
and

540
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:47,600
i'm only interested in the stuff

541
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,039
that confirms the idea that some ufos

542
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,120
are extraterrestrials some people will

543
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,559
say well that's fine

544
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,679
that's valid i on the other hand feel

545
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,320
that

546
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,679
the ufo phenomenon is so big

547
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:04,880
and so strange and so cumbulat

548
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:08,480
uh so come what is the cumulus

549
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,440
exactly you know that whatever it is

550
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:12,720
that you are

551
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:16,000
seeking to find you will find it

552
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,120
eventually like

553
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,400
you have the idea that ufos are military

554
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,240
experimental craft

555
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,120
you'll find evidence that that supports

556
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:27,919
that bias if you have the idea that uh

557
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:31,360
ufos are demonic in nature you will also

558
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,760
find

559
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,559
a few cases that kind of like give that

560
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,760
impression

561
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,600
your other hand you think oh no no

562
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,280
they're actually angels or they're

563
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,360
actually you know

564
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,600
space brothers who come here to save us

565
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
you'll also find that

566
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,720
or you want to find evidence to suggest

567
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,400
that that

568
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:51,120
there are hoaxes or misinformation

569
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,840
you'll find

570
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,400
everything like that so it's very

571
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,000
difficult

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00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,400
like you said we are human so we kind of

573
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,039
like it's very difficult to try to

574
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:04,799
see this without any preconception

575
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:08,960
you know even myself i i now have a bias

576
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,159
that against the the eth

577
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,200
because i've over the years i read the

578
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,360
books by people like jean kiel

579
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:20,480
and by jacques ballet and another

580
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,320
authors and i kind of

581
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,559
came to a conclusion that the ufo

582
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,159
phenomenon seems to

583
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:30,080
have something to do with human

584
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,200
consciousness

585
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:34,799
in ways that kind of like go against

586
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,159
our preconceptions of reality and the

587
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:41,600
materialistic paradigm that we use

588
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,919
in order to create the many scientific

589
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,159
advances that we enjoy today like for

590
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,440
example right now

591
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,320
you are sitting on your house in the

592
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:54,159
united states and here in mexico and we

593
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,480
can

594
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:57,039
talk you know like this is like

595
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:58,159
telepathy

596
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,400
you know in a way but uh yeah i

597
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,520
i feel one has to be careful like

598
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,840
what is it that you are trying to find

599
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,120
about the ufo

600
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,400
phenomena validation for what and

601
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,240
if you're not aware of that you are

602
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,919
bringing that to the table

603
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,840
because the ufo like i said it's kind of

604
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,000
like a mirror you know kind of like

605
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,520
it's a distorted mirror that

606
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,919
reflects back whatever it is that you

607
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,360
are trying to

608
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,919
assign to it and this is something that

609
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,799
i feel

610
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,880
most people who are interested in the

611
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:33,919
subject

612
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,200
fail to recognize when

613
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:39,679
yours you're saying i've had a lot of

614
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:40,320
people

615
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,480
contact me more recently than ever

616
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:47,679
about this as relates to

617
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,520
consciousness and uh so

618
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,200
are you saying um just so i get it right

619
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:58,000
are you thinking this is a manifestation

620
00:25:06,149 --> 00:24:59,039
of

621
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,159
looking at it the wrong way yeah i know

622
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,840
that uh everybody

623
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,679
when you bring up the the term

624
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,200
consciousness it's very difficult to

625
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:12,960
okay what are we saying

626
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,720
exactly and i i admit that sometimes i

627
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,159
don't even know what i'm saying

628
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,120
when i use the term uh is the problem

629
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:22,480
you know it's uh

630
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:25,760
is it like when trying to use language

631
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,600
to explain to an outsider

632
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,840
a psychedelic experience you know that's

633
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:33,360
the reason why people like terence

634
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,080
mckenna

635
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,320
became so important in the counter

636
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,400
culture because he was

637
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,159
he had a gift for gap so he managed to

638
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679
put into words

639
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:46,080
what other people will say that oh yeah

640
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:46,720
like

641
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:50,640
interestingly enough

642
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,000
also people who encountered ufos or

643
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,120
or claimed to have encountered with

644
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:59,279
non-human intelligences alien abductions

645
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,000
and the like

646
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,200
they also sometimes

647
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,000
reach to find the right words to

648
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:07,440
describe the experience

649
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,520
and i think that that is a it's a hint

650
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,880
that this may be bigger than just you

651
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,279
know

652
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,240
the little man coming from metal craft

653
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:19,760
but getting back to your question

654
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:24,960
what i feel is that the ufo phenomenon

655
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,440
and humans are somehow intertwined

656
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:32,799
in ways that

657
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,350
the separation of physicality

658
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,200
that that our reductionist materialistic

659
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,720
paradigm

660
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,919
uses as like the pinnacle of our science

661
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:48,720
you know

662
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:52,960
uh when you study

663
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:56,320
psychic phenomena for which there is

664
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,039
also

665
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,919
a lot of anecdotal evidence uh in the

666
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,880
ufo lore

667
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,799
like you know the idea that these beings

668
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,400
are able to communicate

669
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,520
to the witnesses without

670
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,360
using speaking words you know like the

671
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:10,880
the the the

672
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:15,440
the words come directly into their minds

673
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,919
but uh when you study psychic phenomenon

674
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:21,200
you realize that

675
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,520
uh you know the things that uh mystics

676
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,720
and and and people uh

677
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,880
philosophers of antiquity have been

678
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,080
saying all over

679
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,679
or again that this world that that we're

680
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,880
living in

681
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,080
is merely an illusion right it's like

682
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,600
the basis of

683
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:44,159
what in the western tradition is called

684
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,279
gnosticism

685
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,720
and it's one of the reasons that i

686
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,480
actually chose the moniker red pill

687
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,000
junkie because

688
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,720
when i saw the movie the matrix the

689
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:53,360
first

690
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,120
siblings

691
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,799
uh i had already been immersed

692
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,520
in the books of carlos castaneda who was

693
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,080
a a very important figure

694
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,520
in the counter culture in the 1960s

695
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,720
he is not that well known today

696
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,200
which is a shame because i think the

697
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,000
books are are

698
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,880
still very interesting and and worth

699
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,440
your while

700
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:22,000
if you find them and when i saw the

701
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:22,960
movie

702
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:26,240
i realized oh my god i mean

703
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,120
uh neo is carlos and and don juan you

704
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:32,799
know this jackie brujo

705
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,080
is a is morpheus and he's using the red

706
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:36,960
pill

707
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,389
in order to try to like break open the

708
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:47,120
the the paradigm inside the head of this

709
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,840
person

710
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,880
in order to actually see reality uh as

711
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,080
it really is like

712
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,360
energy like flowing from from the cosmos

713
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:56,559
and converging

714
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,039
into human beings into uh luminous x

715
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,880
in the in the movie obviously what we

716
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,159
see is uh the

717
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,399
the matrix like unfolding seeing all

718
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,110
and i realized then that

719
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:16,159
this is kind of like a a story that has

720
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,880
been told

721
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,279
over and over again in different ways

722
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,159
ever since

723
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,760
uh plato and his allegory of the cape

724
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,919
uh and we also have people like philip k

725
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,960
dick

726
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,360
who was also in his books he's very

727
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,919
gnostic in the idea that yeah this world

728
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,840
is is not what you think it is it's

729
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,600
actually an illusion

730
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:39,360
uh and and it's an illusion that you

731
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,399
can wake up to using different tools one

732
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:44,159
of those tools obviously psychedelic

733
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,120
experiences

734
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:47,679
and i will also venture to say that

735
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,480
other tools

736
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,760
are something like seeing a ufo

737
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,640
you know in the sky that will be able to

738
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,360
jolt you

739
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,760
enough to realize oh my god you know

740
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,200
this world that i

741
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,600
thought that was living in is just a lie

742
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,960
to me that is

743
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,039
the number one importance of of the

744
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,640
phenomenon regardless of

745
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,960
their origin you know i don't really by

746
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,880
now i don't really care

747
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,360
where ufos come from you know what me

748
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,200
the importance is

749
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,640
ufos are like uh like a almost like a

750
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,440
visual

751
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,320
sam cone in the sky something that is

752
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,200
meant

753
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:26,399
to stop the normal functioning of your

754
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:27,120
of your

755
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,440
that is

756
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,919
talking to you and making the world into

757
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,640
being as

758
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,640
as we experience it in consensual

759
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:37,840
reality

760
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,679
and like let you see the other side like

761
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,720
lifting the veil of what may

762
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,000
lie beneath wow

763
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,000
really interesting well the the first

764
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,679
thing that comes to mind when i'm

765
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
hearing you speak on this is

766
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,679
how does that fit in the world of mass

767
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:59,679
sightings like say the phoenix lights

768
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,159
and

769
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,840
when there's so many people seeing the

770
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,640
same thing how does that

771
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,559
how does that play in in that in that

772
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,240
particular case

773
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:10,399
and the first question is are they

774
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:11,600
seeing the same thing

775
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,679
because we have for example

776
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:18,640
cases in which there's a group of people

777
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,039
that

778
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,840
they're all there at the same place and

779
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:22,960
there's an event

780
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,240
happening and maybe of

781
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:29,120
for example five people maybe three will

782
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,600
see

783
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:32,480
something although they may not agree on

784
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,960
exactly

785
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,080
what they saw maybe someone will

786
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,000
describe it uh in

787
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:38,880
a different shape like a different color

788
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,279
and

789
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,880
maybe of those five maybe one

790
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,840
will say that they didn't see anything

791
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,799
and there's

792
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,919
we have ver a lot of cases in which this

793
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,799
happens

794
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,039
another case that comes to mind is the

795
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,799
famous fatima

796
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,279
uh a marion opposition that happened in

797
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,720
1917

798
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,039
there is a wonderful book called uh

799
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,480
heavenly lights

800
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,360
that was written by joaquin fernandez

801
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,480
and and

802
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,360
i think it was frida darmada there was

803
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,480
these two

804
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,720
uh portuguese researchers that were the

805
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,080
first ones

806
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,200
that were allowed to to read

807
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,039
the the uh the testimonies that were

808
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,039
kept by the church

809
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,519
for all these years of the witnesses to

810
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,640
this miracle

811
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:29,039
the miracle in which uh the you know

812
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,320
this object

813
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,480
that kind of like uh replaced the song

814
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,600
for a moment

815
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:36,960
began to the the that uh behave in

816
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,159
incredible ways that and

817
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,840
and you see the differences in the

818
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,679
accounts some people describe it as a

819
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:44,720
silver disk

820
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,559
that was moving uh in in its uh

821
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:51,519
uh in its central axis others describe

822
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,000
it as

823
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,240
white or discussed as blue others

824
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,679
described like uh

825
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,840
explosion of colors that were revolving

826
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,919
around it others didn't see that

827
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,960
others some people even saw uh uh like

828
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:04,399
figures

829
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:07,760
inside the the the circle of light

830
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,960
like waving at them so

831
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,640
what i'm meaning to say with this is

832
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,080
that uh

833
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:17,760
we our science has not really

834
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:21,519
dealt too much into the the mystery of

835
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,039
perception and and

836
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,799
what to some people would be

837
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,840
uh you know like a ufo

838
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,120
with you know a typical metallic silvery

839
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,960
thing with lights and all like in

840
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:39,200
close encounters of the third kind maybe

841
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,320
some people will see something

842
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:41,919
completely different maybe they will see

843
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,799
uh just a ball of light and maybe some

844
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,679
people

845
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:48,080
won't see anything and we need to

846
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,120
understand why

847
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,200
this happens how much like my friend

848
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,399
greg bishop

849
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,519
uh says about uh in his uh

850
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,519
uh certain theories that he calls

851
00:34:03,430 --> 00:33:59,279
co-creation how much

852
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,440
uh does the witness with his perceptions

853
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,399
and with his preconceptions how much of

854
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:07,760
that

855
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,359
influences the encounter

856
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,280
wow al very interesting a friend just

857
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:15,119
told me this weekend and i was unaware

858
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,919
of it

859
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,560
that in the fatima situation that some

860
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,240
people didn't see anything

861
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:23,200
exactly when there was something like 70

862
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,760
000

863
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,079
people there all gathered it was a

864
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,679
rainstorm and then

865
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,960
the sun then it cleared and uh but

866
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,520
they were also filming weren't they and

867
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,159
that's another question i have about you

868
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,720
uh for you that is what about in a

869
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,480
situation where someone films something

870
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,560
or they take a picture of something

871
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,839
right and man obviously

872
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,800
we are living in the year of our lord

873
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,480
2021

874
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,200
and so far as we know there has never

875
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:54,079
been

876
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,560
a one true clear picture of a ufo

877
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,400
and some people say well that's because

878
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,320
the government grabs the really

879
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,640
good ones and they keep it in a bolt

880
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,480
with the arc of the covenant

881
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,960
like in the end of the movie that's

882
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,640
where they you know instead

883
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:13,520
the ark they keep the the remains of the

884
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,320
stone table and

885
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:17,359
also all the good ufo photos there

886
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,800
maybe i don't know or

887
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,240
maybe there's something about the

888
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,880
phenomenon that actually

889
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,079
prevents us from our using our

890
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,400
instruments to actually gather

891
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,040
good evidence there was this comedian

892
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,320
that made this

893
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,320
joke about bigfoot that's saying well

894
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,440
the reason why

895
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,440
all those photos are big for this blur

896
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:41,760
is because bigfoot is a blurry ape

897
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,960
you know watch out you know he's there i

898
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,240
need some focus

899
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,960
and obviously he was making fun he was

900
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:50,640
making fun of of the

901
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,560
of of the myth of bigfoot

902
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
but i think maybe there's something to

903
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,920
that idea that maybe yeah there's

904
00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:59,760
something that

905
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,040
needs consciousness in the case of

906
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,320
consciousness human consciousness to

907
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,280
come into focus as it were you know like

908
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:11,760
maybe there's not something like uh

909
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,440
people expect that if we if we put

910
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,640
cameras all over the place where there's

911
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,040
been uh ufo activity and this is

912
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,040
something that actually dr abi lope who

913
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:24,640
you say will be your next

914
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,760
guest has proposed like that that's

915
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:30,000
all you need to do you need to put good

916
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,880
sensors

917
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:33,280
on places where people have reported

918
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,240
ufos

919
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:37,040
and we sooner or later will get enough

920
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,839
evidence that

921
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,320
you know that either proves or disproves

922
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,160
that ufos exist

923
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,200
well dr love the problem is that

924
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,280
is not a that's easy people have tried

925
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,599
that they're trying it now actually

926
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,599
too yeah there are some people doing

927
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,599
that now yeah exactly i mean we

928
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:56,079
we know that brandon fugo he has his

929
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,040
little uh

930
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,720
he's the only the current owner of the

931
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,160
skinwalker ranch

932
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,560
and he's got a lot of cameras a lot of

933
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,560
sensors and a lot of stuff you know he's

934
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,880
poured millions of dollars in all that

935
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,720
and so far he's

936
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,839
not he hasn't got like that silver

937
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,359
brother that says aha

938
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,839
you know you're eating yes at last well

939
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,599
this i do want to show you this picture

940
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:18,960
because i think it's one of the

941
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,079
the great the greats in australia

942
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,440
um baldwin baldwin australia the guy was

943
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,040
in his garden and had his camera happen

944
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,640
to have his camera and

945
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,320
i think there were two pictures of this

946
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:32,160
but anyway that that is a pretty darn

947
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,040
crystal clear

948
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,079
picture yeah and uh but you know and

949
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,440
it's a polaroid

950
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:40,079
so it has those two things going forward

951
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,800
i mean

952
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,160
as we go along you know cgi is

953
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,160
getting better all the time it's going

954
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,480
to be harder and harder and harder

955
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:51,680
to um you know

956
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:55,520
yeah yeah i remember when in 2010

957
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,119
that uh video of the ufos in

958
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,320
in haiti yeah you know i was

959
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,440
so realistic looking but yeah cgi

960
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,920
yeah not only not only the ufos

961
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,599
everything the sky

962
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,040
the palm trees everything was completely

963
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,880
artificial

964
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,560
yeah yeah i don't want to see if i can

965
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,800
find that because when i first saw that

966
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:19,359
i said

967
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,119
oh my goodness and then uh yeah and then

968
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,880
luckily yeah someone was able to uh

969
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,800
pick that apart and uh figure out what

970
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,000
it was you know even

971
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,920
even i think the creators came forward

972
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,000
and said yeah you know this is you know

973
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,960
this is uh just a promotional and i'm

974
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,400
getting back to mountains

975
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,400
yes yeah yeah i know what you mean now

976
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,560
yeah there was a one that happened in

977
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,240
in the period in august of 96

978
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,760
remember that wobbly ufo yeah that was

979
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,200
behind across the skyline

980
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,359
buildings yeah and a lot of people say

981
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,800
well that's

982
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,440
like the best graphic evidence so far

983
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,119
and it turned out that it was

984
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,160
like probably the first time that a fake

985
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,359
cgi ufo had been ever made

986
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,920
yeah yeah i'm going to pull this video

987
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,200
up for other people that are

988
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,000
watching on our uh i'm going to do it

989
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,520
with a screen capture

990
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,240
hang on just a second everyone uh i

991
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,760
think i can do this easily

992
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:21,200
enough and here we go and

993
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,349
here we go whoops and what is this oh

994
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,200
yeah that guy is a mr disillusion

995
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:32,960
captain disillusion is a

996
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,240
oh i checked it out at first and it

997
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,240
looked like it was uh

998
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,079
it looked like it was the right one uh

999
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,280
funny funny funny

1000
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:43,280
anyway that i deserve that to happen

1001
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:44,480
when it's a live show

1002
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,119
so anyway uh i'll take that out of there

1003
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,320
and uh let's see here we go

1004
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,680
uh yeah so anyway it's gonna get better

1005
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,000
and when i take it get and then we're

1006
00:40:03,589 --> 00:39:59,520
going to be

1007
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,599
drone activity

1008
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,520
and there's going to be more technology

1009
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,720
yeah and i see that uh explanation that

1010
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,520
oh it's probably

1011
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,720
was probably a drone being used uh more

1012
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,000
frequently

1013
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,000
like for example when those uh

1014
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,160
objects that were hovering uh on

1015
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,359
colorado

1016
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:24,400
a couple of years ago i think two years

1017
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,800
ago

1018
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,119
i wrote something about that for for the

1019
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,640
daily grail because i made the

1020
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,760
comparison

1021
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,670
flap of activity with the accounts of

1022
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,880
the airship

1023
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,079
in 1897 and how people

1024
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,839
react to the same way even the skeptics

1025
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,079
would say well it never happened

1026
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,480
you know people never saw anything it's

1027
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,920
like wow

1028
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,040
that's kind of weird and and also people

1029
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:52,880
don't don't take into account that

1030
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,000
commercial drones they don't last a long

1031
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,480
uh airborne you know like their

1032
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,599
batteries have a

1033
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,000
limited capacity and maybe if you're

1034
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,520
lucky they can stay

1035
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:06,160
up in the air maybe half an hour but if

1036
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,560
you

1037
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,160
are seeing something in the sky that's

1038
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:10,560
been there for two or three hours

1039
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,839
maybe that's not wrong yeah

1040
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,000
yeah oh here we go i got it finally so

1041
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,920
i'm going to do it let's see

1042
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,720
uh yeah here we go again i'm going to

1043
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,560
give it another try

1044
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,480
and again this is for people on youtube

1045
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,640
bear with me um if you're listening to

1046
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:27,920
the audio

1047
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,750
i don't know if that's the exact one

1048
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,680
that had the millions of hits

1049
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:43,200
yeah i think that was that's it yeah

1050
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,599
yeah anyway there you go um

1051
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,079
and you know like i said it's it's going

1052
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,200
to get

1053
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,560
better and also we have

1054
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,760
other things besides drones besides

1055
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:00,160
um you know i just think as technology

1056
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:01,520
progresses so people are going to be

1057
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,560
seeing things

1058
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:05,920
that they can't identify and

1059
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,079
um going back to

1060
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,319
when you were talking about if they're

1061
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:13,680
coming from there

1062
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,240
that is one of the possibilities um

1063
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,520
i'm just going to throw this at you

1064
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:21,280
because it's kind of my thoughts on this

1065
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,760
and i've

1066
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,440
felt it all the way along i feel as

1067
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:24,800
though we project

1068
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:29,200
too much of what our human

1069
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:32,560
condition is on to what an alien might

1070
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,200
be

1071
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,319
in other words we would do that so that

1072
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:37,680
they would probably do that

1073
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,960
we seem to do that a lot like uh

1074
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,440
even when it comes to exploring well we

1075
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,119
explore so why wouldn't they

1076
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,520
but we don't know how they developed we

1077
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,640
don't know how

1078
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,280
they evolved um if they're a billion

1079
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,440
years ahead of us or whatever we don't

1080
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:56,720
know any of that um so it it

1081
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,400
would all be left up to an unexplainable

1082
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,440
uh being i mean unexplainable thoughts

1083
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,440
unexplainable actions

1084
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,920
and i'm surprised if they are actually

1085
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,280
here and visiting us

1086
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,079
that nothing has ever happened really

1087
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:13,520
bad

1088
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,520
because it could have or it still can't

1089
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,480
i mean they would have that capability

1090
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,640
if they wanted to i think

1091
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,480
well yeah it's obviously very difficult

1092
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:26,000
to

1093
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:29,599
when talking about this phenomenon

1094
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,349
try to ascertain just how powerful

1095
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,480
it is like we arrive to the idea well if

1096
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:42,560
they are managed to

1097
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,880
come from x place in the universe to

1098
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,119
here that means that they are

1099
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,359
way more advanced than us it's possible

1100
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,720
right of course

1101
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,400
uh and and then i

1102
00:44:03,190 --> 00:43:59,440
also entertained the idea that

1103
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,200
the this intelligence is capable of

1104
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,480
manipulating not only space but also

1105
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,680
time

1106
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,240
and if you are capable of manipulating

1107
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,599
time

1108
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,720
from the point of view of an uh uh an

1109
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,680
outside

1110
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:19,119
observer you will be god-like you know

1111
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,079
it's like

1112
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,200
the movie groundhog day remember yeah

1113
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:25,680
he's able to return again and again and

1114
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,240
again

1115
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,560
by the time by the end of the movie he's

1116
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:31,040
almost got like in his knowledge of the

1117
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,760
town

1118
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,920
in his ability she plays the piano

1119
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,760
beautifully

1120
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,319
and obviously he's not a god he's just a

1121
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:39,839
guy who is

1122
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:42,960
trapped in this time loop but i think

1123
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,640
uh that is uh an interesting

1124
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,760
thought experiment just how powerful are

1125
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,680
these beings will they be able to wipe

1126
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,440
us out you know

1127
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,000
or or on the contrary maybe they're not

1128
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,720
as but maybe they're projecting that

1129
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,760
as a rules and the

1130
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,160
with this i remember the book by the

1131
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,319
late mactones

1132
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,520
he wrote the book the crypto

1133
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,760
terrestrials which was which was a very

1134
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:11,200
interesting thought experiment he

1135
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:11,920
thought

1136
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,520
what if this is like uh another

1137
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,160
intelligent species that is called

1138
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,240
inhabiting the planet with us

1139
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,680
and they are like uh staying

1140
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,400
hidden because they're not really that

1141
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,599
numerous

1142
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:30,640
uh they're low in numbers and they need

1143
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:31,119
to

1144
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,560
dna

1145
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,720
whatever and and they use this

1146
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,400
technology which is really not

1147
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,560
that advanced but they give the

1148
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,520
impression

1149
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,040
that they are really uh

1150
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,640
more far away from us technologically

1151
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,880
and that was obviously it's not that mac

1152
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,160
believed in that

1153
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,560
but that was an interesting what if that

1154
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,000
in order to try to

1155
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,040
uh i don't know falsify uh our

1156
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:03,599
our notions about uh you know

1157
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,480
destructoid

1158
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:07,440
extraterrestrial hypotheses or you know

1159
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,079
if you are

1160
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,079
a fan of jacques vallee the

1161
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,400
interdimensional hypothesis

1162
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,560
uh all these ideas you know that would

1163
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,000
keep bringing uh what if they're time

1164
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,079
travelers why are you where if they are

1165
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:20,000
living in the oceans what is this what

1166
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:21,119
if that

1167
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:25,119
uh i guess it's inevitable we're trying

1168
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,839
always trying to and

1169
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:29,599
anthropomorphize the phenomenon

1170
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:33,040
and try to assign uh explanations to it

1171
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:33,839
based on our

1172
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:37,280
own intentions or based on on our own

1173
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,160
bias

1174
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,680
yeah that's why you see people like ttsa

1175
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,920
say well whatever it is it must be a

1176
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,760
threat you know because if they're

1177
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,599
capable of coming here with total

1178
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:48,640
impunity

1179
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,680
we need to consider it that there can be

1180
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:54,960
a threat to us like well okay obviously

1181
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,359
i mean

1182
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,599
you guys are in the military everything

1183
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,400
to you has to be seen with that

1184
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,599
narrow lens yeah and obviously it will

1185
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,079
be as

1186
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,040
uh also very naive to say well if they

1187
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,720
come here that means they are friends

1188
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:09,920
that means that

1189
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,520
they have evolved beyond uh

1190
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:17,119
uh hostile or aggressive uh behavior you

1191
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,079
know possibly

1192
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:21,359
right yeah yeah and we're just throwing

1193
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,760
those

1194
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,079
it's like the ufo is like a big usher uh

1195
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,079
no no sorry uh what's the name of uh

1196
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,359
uh psychological uh

1197
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,960
like the inkblots yeah you know like uh

1198
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,960
uh the rose church it's like a big

1199
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,559
rusher test you know

1200
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,160
whatev like i said whatever it is that

1201
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,079
you have in your in your mind is

1202
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,520
you are instinctively projecting to it

1203
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,160
yeah yeah again human nature here's

1204
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,760
here's a question and before i

1205
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,480
uh put the before i ask the question um

1206
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,839
if you do want to ask a question

1207
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,000
in chat just make sure you put in caps

1208
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,000
um like anonymous rex did

1209
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:58,319
but also uh for the people that were

1210
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,119
watching

1211
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,400
the show last week with calvin parker

1212
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:05,440
for the pascagoula he did have a spell

1213
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,559
toward the end

1214
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,319
i've been uh in communication with him

1215
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,480
the last number of days he's doing fine

1216
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,960
um he's okay so uh don't worry about

1217
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,480
that i did edit it out

1218
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,200
but uh anyway the question up there and

1219
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,359
by the way we are taking uh calls during

1220
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:21,200
the last half hour will be screened by

1221
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:21,920
bill

1222
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,640
skywatcher and the question up here is

1223
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:26,400
what's the most significant evidence we

1224
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,119
have

1225
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:29,839
it's a great question yeah it's a very

1226
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,480
difficult

1227
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,520
i guess

1228
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,200
what what how i will retort this

1229
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,800
uh what kind of uh what do you mean by

1230
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:41,440
evidence

1231
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:46,559
of ufos

1232
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:50,240
uh that uh that they are

1233
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:54,400
technological that they are uh

1234
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,920
uh you know independent of the observer

1235
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
i guess for me one of the most

1236
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,400
compelling evidence and also

1237
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,000
remember that there is a difference

1238
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,800
between evidence and proof

1239
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,280
you know to me evidence is like

1240
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,240
scooby-doo

1241
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,640
and the gang going and finding little

1242
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,000
crumbles there

1243
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,359
and you know they have to

1244
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,520
they have to keep going it means that

1245
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,440
they're the evidence means you are on

1246
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,480
the right track

1247
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,960
but you haven't managed to find what

1248
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,000
you're looking for

1249
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:30,559
proof is whatever it is you were looking

1250
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,119
for

1251
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,000
you found it even though it may not have

1252
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,760
been what you were expecting

1253
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,960
but they're very definitely to me

1254
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,800
there's an evidence between evidence

1255
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,400
and proof and evidence to me is

1256
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,800
that there's something going on here is

1257
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:46,559
that the

1258
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:50,960
the amount of testimony from people

1259
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,160
from all walks of life from so many

1260
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:56,400
decades maybe even centuries

1261
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,000
that claiming they have these encounters

1262
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,760
with this other reality

1263
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,800
that that means that there is that

1264
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,760
it seems to be something inherent to the

1265
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,200
human condition

1266
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,359
like obviously there's also other

1267
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,200
interesting bits of data

1268
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,599
i don't know that a lot of interesting

1269
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:16,960
cases that seems to

1270
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,150
evidence aside from from from from human

1271
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,680
testimony

1272
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,440
like for example i remember a case here

1273
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,599
in mexico one of my favorite cases

1274
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,880
from the 1970s this pilot

1275
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,520
uh carlos antonio de los santos he was

1276
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,359
flying a a small

1277
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:40,720
piper plane from siwatanejo

1278
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:44,880
to mexico city and during the trajectory

1279
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,800
his plane was hijacked by three small

1280
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,079
objects right and

1281
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,760
you can even find on youtube you can

1282
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,480
find the audio of the of the guy

1283
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,760
talking to the control tower in mexico's

1284
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,680
in the mexico city airport

1285
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,359
and if you want to hear the voice of a

1286
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:05,520
man who's been captured

1287
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,359
by ufos that is probably the only

1288
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,200
the one one you could find on youtube

1289
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:13,440
but anyway

1290
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,359
uh from that case there was radar

1291
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,800
radar uh uh testimony

1292
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,559
from the people who were controlling the

1293
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,720
radar tower who said yeah

1294
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,920
we they saw uh when finally the objects

1295
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,720
departed

1296
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,040
to a different direction and and carlos

1297
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,720
antonio managed to

1298
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:35,119
regain control of his plane he managed

1299
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:36,079
to land

1300
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,000
the plane and the the authorities

1301
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:42,400
uh analyzed the plane and there was

1302
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,119
evidence that

1303
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:45,839
it has suffered an impact in midair you

1304
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,319
know

1305
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,720
which had actually managed to to to

1306
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,000
damage his

1307
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,960
con landing gear which that's why he had

1308
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,200
to do a lot of uh maneuvers

1309
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,520
to land and the guy was found to be

1310
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:58,960
credible you know they

1311
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,000
they run a lot of tests on him

1312
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,720
uh to show that he didn't he didn't

1313
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,520
hallucinate

1314
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,599
he wasn't under the the influence of

1315
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,720
drugs or any

1316
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,720
anything of the kind the guy was allowed

1317
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,839
to keep flying

1318
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,319
you know and and the chaos remain

1319
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,200
unexplained

1320
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,160
you know uh but obviously some people

1321
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,520
will say well that's

1322
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,960
you know it didn't happen to uh

1323
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,880
to an american pilot so that doesn't

1324
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,160
count right

1325
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:29,520
uh so young i don't think you will ever

1326
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,079
find

1327
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,520
a case in which all the ticks are marked

1328
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,079
like oh yeah you have testimony for a

1329
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:38,000
first from a first class witness

1330
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:42,720
like a a navy pilot you have also

1331
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,319
radar uh data and you also have

1332
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,680
crystal clear uh photographs

1333
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:53,119
maybe the maybe we'll never have that

1334
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:56,720
but that doesn't mean that we

1335
00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:00,160
stop looking like to this day we don't

1336
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:00,880
have

1337
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,480
a crystal clear photo of a black hole

1338
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,880
right in fact you cannot have a photo of

1339
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,880
a black hole a black hole is by

1340
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,400
definition something that you cannot

1341
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:11,520
observe directly

1342
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,960
but what you can do is you can analyze

1343
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,680
its influence its physical influence in

1344
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,440
the environment and one of the things

1345
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,960
that we have neglected to do

1346
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,640
is investigate the influence of the ufo

1347
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,599
phenomenon

1348
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:28,400
on the witnesses so what i would do is

1349
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:29,119
like

1350
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,800
try to see

1351
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,880
if there is something different in him

1352
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,280
over the years maybe in his

1353
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,589
mental waves or whatever and try to see

1354
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,119
maybe there's

1355
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:47,119
something that indicates that yet he

1356
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,160
suffered

1357
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:51,359
uh a special kind of trauma that you

1358
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:51,920
cannot

1359
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,119
explain uh with a

1360
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,160
more mundane explanation

1361
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,599
um yeah um well getting back to what you

1362
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,829
and i know you're not going to want to

1363
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:07,200
talk about this but i'm still going to

1364
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,920
bring it up we

1365
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:10,240
we only have two min uh a minute for to

1366
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,359
go into the break

1367
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,440
but the nimitz i mean they have

1368
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,040
everything but the clear photo

1369
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:17,200
they and they may have that we don't

1370
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,559
know that's possible

1371
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,520
but also me i don't know did you hear

1372
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,800
maybe i'll bring this up because we're

1373
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:24,000
running out of time

1374
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,440
i'll bring it up on the other side but

1375
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:27,119
i'm going to talk to you when we come

1376
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,000
back

1377
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,760
about the american airlines over new

1378
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,200
mexico all right

1379
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,119
yeah i've heard that anyway uh we'll

1380
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,200
talk on that when we come right back

1381
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,599
and we're going to go into break now and

1382
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,640
for those of you

1383
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,559
on youtube you'll get to see a little

1384
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,920
video and

1385
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:44,079
for those of you over at kgra radio

1386
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:45,119
we'll be right back

1387
00:57:01,349 --> 00:55:15,470
[Music]

1388
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,589
we'll be right back just uh over at the

1389
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:05,520
u.s national archives on the youtube

1390
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,160
channel

1391
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,119
they have a number of ufo videos you may

1392
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,200
want to go check that out when you can

1393
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,799
and uh there's some interesting ones

1394
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,440
over there it's all copyright free

1395
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,079
all right and martin ready yep we're

1396
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,599
coming back in three

1397
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,880
two one go all right welcome back to the

1398
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,040
show i'm martin willis your host

1399
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:28,640
and we are on with miguel romero

1400
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,319
and let me bring him in take you out

1401
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:35,760
and you're back so

1402
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,359
uh putting his ear phones in so yeah

1403
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
right before we went into the break we

1404
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,400
were talking about the uh

1405
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,640
american airlines i guess it was at like

1406
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,599
36 000

1407
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,960
feet and some cylindrical thing flew

1408
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:51,200
over it almost like a missile or

1409
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,000
something

1410
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:54,720
no no i haven't heard i don't know if

1411
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,520
you have you heard

1412
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:57,760
any more about that than just the news

1413
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:58,640
flash

1414
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:02,480
uh i think that some people were

1415
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,319
uh saying that there's an audio

1416
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,799
of uh the power i heard that too i

1417
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,520
haven't checked

1418
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,640
the audio yeah and i know this reminds

1419
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,599
me of

1420
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,440
i mean it's not the first time that

1421
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:16,960
pilots report

1422
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,160
uh missile type objects

1423
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:23,760
uh my friend mike hanks wrote

1424
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,480
wrote a book about uh such cases called

1425
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:27,839
the ghost rockets

1426
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,880
oh i love that uh yeah over in

1427
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:33,760
sweden yeah and and to me even more

1428
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,319
interesting

1429
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,160
is the ones that reported by pilots that

1430
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,000
claiming to see a guy in a jet pack

1431
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,200
yeah over los angeles and to me that's

1432
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,880
wonderful because reminds me of all the

1433
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,119
cases of here in mexico of

1434
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,400
uh flying humanoids you know right that

1435
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,160
have been even you know there was even

1436
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,559
video obviously by mao sun so you you

1437
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,559
have to take them with a huge grain of

1438
00:59:03,670 --> 00:58:59,680
salt

1439
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:03,680
but those videos and stories are

1440
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,359
to me fascinating nonetheless yeah and

1441
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:10,079
the thing about the jet pack or what

1442
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,280
look like the jet pack

1443
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,799
it's gonna be hard to for me to figure

1444
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,880
out how to bring that up i might try to

1445
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,240
do that while you're talking

1446
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,280
but um that was at a high level

1447
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,680
and they jet packs have a very short

1448
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,200
life i mean they can only

1449
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,440
take so much fuel so you can only i mean

1450
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:26,799
they're only i don't know what the

1451
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,680
longest

1452
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,240
a jetpack can run but it's not that long

1453
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,440
yeah

1454
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,079
i i doubt they will they can stay in the

1455
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,720
up in the air uh longer than 10 minutes

1456
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,119
and something like that yeah and if you

1457
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,640
are so high up

1458
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,880
uh i don't know how how are you going to

1459
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,920
you know land

1460
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,599
unless you have like a parachute or

1461
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,119
something yeah

1462
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,680
and but here here you know we talked

1463
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,280
earlier about

1464
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,040
a lot of times people will talk about

1465
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,640
maybe military or something that we

1466
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:55,760
don't know about

1467
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,119
right very possibly they could have

1468
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,640
um but they wouldn't be flying it in the

1469
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,240
jet lanes i mean

1470
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,480
very possibly they they can develop

1471
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,720
something like that that we don't know

1472
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,799
we haven't seen it yet sure you know

1473
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:10,559
those are those possibilities are out

1474
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:11,200
there

1475
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:17,200
that tiny possibility that even the big

1476
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,240
cases

1477
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:21,119
that we keep still still keep talking

1478
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,240
about

1479
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,520
might have something to do with uh

1480
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,040
military experiments even the phoenix

1481
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,680
lights i remember

1482
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,760
greg taylor of the daily gray wrote an

1483
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,200
article about how

1484
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,880
back in those days they were exploring

1485
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,240
the possibility of crea

1486
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:40,480
of creating these lighter than air

1487
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,839
aircraft that will be huge

1488
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,240
that will be i think solar powered and

1489
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,160
they will have this uh

1490
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,359
boomerang or or b type configuration

1491
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:54,079
and people say well well maybe maybe

1492
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:54,480
that

1493
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,480
is what some of the witness saw uh

1494
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:01,200
i guess we'll we'll we'll never know or

1495
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,160
maybe that's this

1496
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,640
is also something yeah exactly that's

1497
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,480
that here's a picture for those of you

1498
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,920
on youtube

1499
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,839
very blurry though again here we go the

1500
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,799
blurry thing yeah exactly it will will

1501
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,799
and uh could be a mylar balloon very

1502
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,839
well could be

1503
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,040
yeah but it is standing vertical like

1504
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,960
you would think a jetpack would be yeah

1505
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:22,160
there there are those

1506
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:25,680
uh radio control uh

1507
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,119
drones that look like uh witches uh

1508
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,079
right in their broom uh or or

1509
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,000
superheroes where they're kept and all

1510
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,400
and i don't remember in the 1990s i

1511
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:38,319
think it was in the 1990s there was this

1512
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,200
video

1513
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:42,400
that came from from the north of mexico

1514
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:42,720
in

1515
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,359
almost looked like a witch

1516
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,760
right in some kind of room this is very

1517
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,280
very very strange

1518
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,319
uh video and also around that time

1519
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,480
there was even a young police officer

1520
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,400
claiming to have been attacked

1521
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,039
by a by a by a witch with glowing

1522
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:05,359
glowing eyes very very scary very scary

1523
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:06,240
story

1524
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,920
wow interesting up getting back

1525
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:13,200
to what your thoughts are possible

1526
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,240
thoughts are

1527
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,559
or or or one of your thoughts i should

1528
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:19,280
say maybe that's the best way to put it

1529
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:23,359
of the uh possible consciousness

1530
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,039
directive here um does that cross over

1531
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,720
in your opinion you talked earlier about

1532
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:30,960
the blurry bigfoot

1533
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,000
does it cross over into i mean i

1534
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,599
actually talked about it one time but i

1535
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,520
had a ghost experience i don't know what

1536
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,599
i don't call it a ghost because i

1537
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,920
something happened in a house

1538
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,079
that's totally unexplainable i saw it

1539
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:46,480
happen i was there i witnessed it

1540
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:49,280
um do you think that kind of crosses

1541
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,680
over

1542
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,359
into that i mean i wasn't expecting

1543
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,799
anything to happen

1544
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:55,599
and it just happened i mean yeah yeah i

1545
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:56,240
think uh

1546
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:59,680
uh i don't call myself uh uh your

1547
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,480
apologies

1548
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,280
first of all because uh i i always

1549
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,440
thought the term was kind of pretentious

1550
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,480
you know like well you you

1551
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:11,119
you don't have to go to any school to

1552
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,680
get the

1553
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:14,000
degree in ufology you just have to like

1554
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,799
write

1555
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,039
just have to say you are yeah exactly

1556
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,280
like peter roman said you click your

1557
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,359
heels touch your nose and voila

1558
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,880
i remember that i remember that you're

1559
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,480
right yeah uh

1560
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:27,839
but yeah i prefer to call myself a 14

1561
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:30,880
because i truly think all

1562
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:35,599
these phenomena are somehow

1563
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,920
uh related to in some ways that

1564
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,839
we have haven't managed to figure out

1565
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,039
yet um

1566
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:47,039
some years ago when the movie

1567
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:48,640
interstellar came out

1568
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,440
i fell in love with it immediately and

1569
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,280
and i don't want to spoil it but there's

1570
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:55,760
this idea of a girl

1571
01:04:02,470 --> 01:03:58,960
who claims that she has a ghost

1572
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,480
in in in her room that doesn't

1573
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,039
turn out to be a ghost it's actually uh

1574
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,280
well i guess some some spoilers

1575
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,920
is something of a messenger from the

1576
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,839
future

1577
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:14,960
so i mean i almost i'm

1578
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:17,599
always so against these tired

1579
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,640
stereotypical

1580
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,960
explanations that yeah ufos are

1581
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,400
spacecraft

1582
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:25,440
uh bigfoot is an undiscovered giant tape

1583
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:28,799
and ghost star spirits of the death and

1584
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,000
well what if what if that's not the case

1585
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,280
at all what if uh

1586
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:36,480
for example when it comes to ghosts

1587
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,079
or ufo manifestations like uh

1588
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:42,079
a friend of mine general tenney or even

1589
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,000
sarayaskat says if you if

1590
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:47,520
if someone sees a strange light

1591
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,880
uh if it is outside it's a ufo

1592
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,960
uh but if it's inside your house other

1593
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:54,720
that means that must be a ghost

1594
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,400
but it's the same phenomenon uh also

1595
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,119
yeah i also remember uh the wonderful

1596
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:03,680
explanation that carl sagan gave

1597
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:07,039
with regards to multiple dimensions

1598
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:10,240
and what happens when a hyperdimensional

1599
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,359
being

1600
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,480
uh makes contact with uh our

1601
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,000
three-dimensional reality

1602
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,000
you know it uses the typical example of

1603
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,680
flatland you know the sphere

1604
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,760
or the apple interacting with a little

1605
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:24,000
square and the little square freaks out

1606
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,720
because

1607
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,960
he listens a voice from within himself

1608
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:27,920
he doesn't know

1609
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,039
where it's coming from and then he sees

1610
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:34,160
uh the the the apple traversing flat

1611
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,640
land

1612
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,960
so it's this object that is changing

1613
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,160
shapes right

1614
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,799
but it's kind of like weird and wobbly

1615
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,520
and then

1616
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:44,480
the the the apple takes the poor little

1617
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:45,119
square

1618
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,839
outside of flatland because he like hits

1619
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:48,960
it and it

1620
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,000
is going flying up in the air and

1621
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,079
and you get this totally

1622
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:56,720
incomprehensible experience

1623
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,799
and that has so many parallels to me

1624
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,359
with the ufo phenomenon and also with

1625
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:05,119
with what people call ghosts you know

1626
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:05,760
why

1627
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:09,520
what if ghosts are hyper dimensional

1628
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:11,359
entities that are just communicating

1629
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,240
with us

1630
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,559
and and we say well that must be the the

1631
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:15,760
soul of my

1632
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:18,880
of of my granddaddy because he died here

1633
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,240
in the same room like 200 years ago

1634
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,720
but maybe or maybe it's like you know

1635
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:25,599
maybe it's

1636
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,599
your great-great-great uh granddaughter

1637
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:32,640
that is some kind of technology in order

1638
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,960
to

1639
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,720
communicate with you you know from the

1640
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:36,319
future

1641
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,520
wow interesting i knew i'd have an

1642
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,200
interesting conversation with you

1643
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:44,559
um and you know you you talked earlier

1644
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:45,520
about

1645
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,920
the manipulate manipulation of time if

1646
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:49,039
that's if that's

1647
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:52,319
even possible and what exactly

1648
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,599
in your mind would that mean

1649
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:58,000
how would that how would that make

1650
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,119
things

1651
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,200
like space travel how would that work in

1652
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,599
space travel for instance

1653
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,760
well is that is it connected like space

1654
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,359
time is that what you mean like the

1655
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:08,720
space-time

1656
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,799
connection yes and no because obviously

1657
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:13,599
uh

1658
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,119
our basic understanding of general

1659
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:21,520
relativity and special relativity

1660
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:27,990
the faster your approach to the speed of

1661
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,960
light

1662
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:31,280
which in the case in in the case of

1663
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:32,160
einstein's

1664
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,079
theories is like the absolute limit your

1665
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:39,119
internal clock or your spacecraft [\h__\h]

1666
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,319
is going to go slower than people

1667
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,400
outside of the spacecraft

1668
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,760
i'm not really talking about that

1669
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,440
because i'm talking about

1670
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:50,720
how i feel that this

1671
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:54,160
phenomenon the ufo phenomenon

1672
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:58,400
originates from a reality in which

1673
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,760
from our point of view our reality is

1674
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:03,599
just a tiny subset

1675
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:06,720
you know it's like uh

1676
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:10,079
in a way like we are let's say in a fish

1677
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,720
tank

1678
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:14,160
you know and the the water is

1679
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:17,120
our space time but there are you know

1680
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,839
obviously

1681
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,400
the people or the humans that are

1682
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,839
outside of the fish tank

1683
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,679
they can go and they can stick their

1684
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:25,440
hands inside

1685
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:28,799
up and down whenever they want and and

1686
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,480
totally impervious to to to the effects

1687
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,600
of that the the whatever

1688
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,000
is happening the fish tank to put an

1689
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:40,319
example or another example i could come

1690
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,359
an analogy i could use is whenever you

1691
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,759
are playing a video game

1692
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:48,719
the time of what happening what's

1693
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:49,679
happening in the video

1694
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:53,679
is totally independent of your

1695
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,600
subjective experience of you as a as a

1696
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:00,319
player like you finish the game or

1697
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:01,520
whatever your entire

1698
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,319
game over you turn down the console and

1699
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,719
for all intents and purposes the time

1700
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:10,000
stopped

1701
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:13,759
for the digital figures or the digital

1702
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,199
uh avatars that are inhabiting that game

1703
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,600
but uh you are tired of that you know

1704
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:21,520
you can enter that game

1705
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,199
and you can re enter the game

1706
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:27,440
where you left off which for the point

1707
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,319
of view of the

1708
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,600
digital avatars you it's it didn't

1709
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:32,400
happen

1710
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:36,319
for you it maybe

1711
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,960
happened there was a lapse of a whole

1712
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,000
week

1713
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,239
i don't know so that's what i'm trying

1714
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:45,920
to to say that i

1715
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:49,120
feel that the ufo phenomenon

1716
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,440
is for all intents and purposes outside

1717
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:53,120
of our space time

1718
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:56,800
and and even we have examples of cases

1719
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,760
in which the

1720
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,719
euphonius tell you know ask the

1721
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,640
witnesses what is your timeline

1722
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,280
you know and and sometimes they the the

1723
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,760
the witness will say well this is

1724
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:10,480
quarter past two and and the euphonite

1725
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,960
will

1726
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,159
totally

1727
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,800
you know illogical but they say it you

1728
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:18,480
know they say it for a reason

1729
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:22,000
and and and maybe though that

1730
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:25,520
that will also explain why they are so

1731
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:29,520
uh obtuse with regards to our customs

1732
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:33,040
you know you all these uh tales of men

1733
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,159
in black

1734
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:37,679
going to to to uh

1735
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:41,280
abuse ufo witnesses and they come inside

1736
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:42,239
the house and

1737
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,640
they see like a a bowl of jello

1738
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,159
and they try to drink it uh because

1739
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,239
they never experienced such a thing you

1740
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:54,159
know that's totally incomprehensible to

1741
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:54,960
them

1742
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:58,080
uh but at the same time you

1743
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:01,760
you hear the same type

1744
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,120
of accounts coming from the folklore

1745
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,880
of so many different ancient cultures

1746
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:08,560
especially in

1747
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,920
the celtic countries you know well uh

1748
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,920
we could entertain the idea that these

1749
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,960
are

1750
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,199
if you want to entertain the eth for a

1751
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,679
while what if these are you know

1752
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:22,480
space travelers who have just arrived to

1753
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:22,880
our

1754
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:29,199
in 1947 if you want to go that way

1755
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:32,719
and and they started to investigate us

1756
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,920
first from going back in time and then

1757
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:36,800
going you know

1758
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,000
forward in time and and that to

1759
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,400
us it will feel that they have always

1760
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:43,440
been here

1761
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:46,159
but from their perspective you know

1762
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:47,440
subjective perspective

1763
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,040
they've just been here for a couple of

1764
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,630
wow um well let's let's switch gears

1765
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,679
just a little bit

1766
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:58,719
and uh and you know maybe we'll touch

1767
01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:59,280
back on

1768
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:02,800
on these ideas as well but let's talk

1769
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:03,280
about

1770
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:07,199
mexico and you know ufo sightings like

1771
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,679
um there's one in particular i'd like to

1772
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,520
to ask you about if you've ever looked

1773
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,480
into it

1774
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:15,199
and um and i brought this up one time

1775
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,320
when i had

1776
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,560
um a show i can't remember who i had on

1777
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:19,600
it but someone

1778
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:22,880
claimed to be involved in that and uh

1779
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:25,920
and ended up being bogus but um there

1780
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:26,400
was

1781
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,159
a crash in mexico a small plane

1782
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:33,280
supposedly collided midair

1783
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,960
um with the ufo and the military came

1784
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,520
on both sides and do you wonder do you

1785
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:41,520
want know what i'm talking about

1786
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:44,880
what year was yeah

1787
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,840
um i can't remember exactly the 1970s or

1788
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:50,560
80s

1789
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,920
and the military showed up um

1790
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,120
okay if you're not familiar with that

1791
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:56,960
one that's no i don't think so it was

1792
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,280
right

1793
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,280
on the border of mexico in the united

1794
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,880
states and it was just over the border

1795
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:02,640
in mexico

1796
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:05,760
the crash story doesn't doesn't ring a

1797
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:06,239
bell

1798
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,480
i mean nope i've heard of uh

1799
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:13,760
near mises yeah with commercial uh

1800
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,880
air airplanes not unlike what we were

1801
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,400
discussing just

1802
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,040
earlier they're apparently like the way

1803
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,120
that

1804
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,480
the rather rather controlled system

1805
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,600
works is that

1806
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:30,159
they just register moving objects in

1807
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:30,960
order to

1808
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,560
what are static objects like you know

1809
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:38,800
planes don't have to worry about

1810
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,080
from you know that the air traffic

1811
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,960
they like discount the the objects that

1812
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,080
don't move

1813
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,920
and they say that's the problem is that

1814
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,640
sometimes the the ufo remains

1815
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,760
stationary like on top of a big building

1816
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:55,920
and that's when you know that's why the

1817
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:58,480
the the rather doesn't register them but

1818
01:14:03,189 --> 01:13:58,960
no

1819
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:03,199
i've never heard of of ufos

1820
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,400
crashing with planes like i said

1821
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:09,600
i kind of doubt those

1822
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,400
cases because if we go

1823
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:17,600
and and entertain the idea that yes this

1824
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,000
this phenomenon uh their

1825
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,159
their experience of time is different

1826
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,400
maybe that's why they have so

1827
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,520
you know they they move so fast and they

1828
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:30,719
managed to

1829
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,480
miss planes just barely you know but

1830
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,199
to them is like oh it's like the flash

1831
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,199
like moving doing so fast and

1832
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,480
and they have plenty of time to to to

1833
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,800
correct their trajectory and they just

1834
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:45,760
do that for

1835
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:48,560
i don't know for whatever reason but all

1836
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,360
right

1837
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,560
yeah i i just found the the story off

1838
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,080
and then one of these things just popped

1839
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,080
up to to

1840
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:59,280
so it's a mid-air uh crash leads to

1841
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:00,400
legendary

1842
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,239
uh mexican ufo encounter 1974.

1843
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:06,400
uh and i don't know how you pronounce

1844
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,550
um and mexico and u.s

1845
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,560
government was involved in all that but

1846
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:21,920
we'll move on but uh

1847
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:24,400
but i did remember something about that

1848
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,960
and uh

1849
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,199
i mean the one story that i remember is

1850
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:28,400
uh the alleged

1851
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,840
ufo crash happened in the 1950s in

1852
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,679
puebla everybody talks about

1853
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:36,159
about that one i'm not sure if i'll know

1854
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:37,199
that one

1855
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,320
yeah i mean it's one of those uh stories

1856
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,320
like i don't know aztec or whatever

1857
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:45,280
like the stories that nobody has ever

1858
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,560
managed to confirm

1859
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,080
but yeah apparently that there was in

1860
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:49,920
the 1950s

1861
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:53,440
a saucer crashed in in mexico

1862
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,800
and and and the the army like uh

1863
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,640
control the area and eventually

1864
01:16:03,510 --> 01:15:59,920
obviously like

1865
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:03,520
uh the the the saucer was uh handed out

1866
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:03,840
to

1867
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,239
yeah i don't know i think it's one of

1868
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,080
those uh stories that i keep on my

1869
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,440
on my gray basket like yeah but

1870
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,080
you know like like food is just uh one

1871
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,400
of those bogus crush stories

1872
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,560
we uh a lot of this goes into the gray

1873
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,320
basket for sure

1874
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,120
um but let's talk about um you know

1875
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,640
during the 1990s

1876
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,560
when we talked earlier about jaime

1877
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,920
hussein and and

1878
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,840
you know him becoming very popular was a

1879
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,040
flap going on

1880
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:35,679
yes and do you rem you remember when

1881
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,560
that happened right

1882
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,560
you were in high school at the time yeah

1883
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,040
and he also like i said he used to go

1884
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:44,560
on on uh television

1885
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,560
uh almost weekly uh every friday night

1886
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,159
he will go and show

1887
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,840
uh a new video uh and there was a lot of

1888
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,679
interesting videos from that not not

1889
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,880
just from people

1890
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:59,360
like his sky watchers who will just be

1891
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,080
recording

1892
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,199
uh from from the

1893
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,840
from the rooftops but also others like i

1894
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,120
remember

1895
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,560
uh this uh

1896
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,800
famous photograph that apparently was

1897
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:15,280
taken by some police

1898
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:18,800
officers or police agents

1899
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,199
agents that were from some

1900
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:23,520
anti-narcotics

1901
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:27,280
unit and one of the agents saw this

1902
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:28,719
glowing

1903
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,679
object and told his uh companion you

1904
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:33,360
know take a photo because it's probably

1905
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,159
you know

1906
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,600
one uh uh a small plane that was scaring

1907
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:40,080
drugs you know from one of the cartels

1908
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,840
and then they reveal the photo and it

1909
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,320
shows uh

1910
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:47,600
what seems to be a structure object with

1911
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:50,880
uh a series of lights uh

1912
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,600
red lights on the front and that that

1913
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,960
photo

1914
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:57,280
like became famous worldwide and i'm

1915
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:58,719
sure you could it will

1916
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:02,239
i think it's if you if you if you google

1917
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:05,760
uh atlisco a t l i

1918
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:09,120
x c o at least co ufo you'll you'll

1919
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,480
still find it

1920
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,239
uh there was also another very

1921
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:14,480
interesting photo that appeared

1922
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:18,560
back in those days uh very typical

1923
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:22,159
uh uh saucer-like object

1924
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:25,360
with seems to be glowing portholes and

1925
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,480
on the midsection and

1926
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:30,320
that photo actually is very relevant to

1927
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:31,520
me because

1928
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,640
that it was taken in a small town in in

1929
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:36,800
mexico called okotlan

1930
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,840
oklahom in the state of jalisco and i

1931
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,960
happen to have

1932
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,679
family members living there i used to go

1933
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:44,719
there with my

1934
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,000
with my parents like every year during

1935
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:49,760
the easter holidays

1936
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,960
and one in one of those trips uh

1937
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:55,280
they told me about that photo and they

1938
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,400
told me that they knew

1939
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:58,800
the guy who took the photo who was a a

1940
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:59,440
butcher

1941
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:02,159
in the town that used to go hiking to

1942
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:03,040
one of the

1943
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,800
the mounts or the mountains uh near the

1944
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:08,960
town and that's when he took the photo

1945
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,199
so i still think that photo is

1946
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:13,600
happens to be genuine because of that

1947
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,480
because of that

1948
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:17,360
connection with my with my family

1949
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,159
members

1950
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,159
and that is a really interesting photo i

1951
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,400
mean that is a very clear

1952
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:25,280
uh photo that uh maybe it's folks

1953
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:26,320
obviously then you

1954
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,920
cannot discount the possibility that the

1955
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,159
guy took a small model

1956
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:31,920
and hang it from uh from a tree or

1957
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:34,320
whatever but i still think it's uh

1958
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,320
it's a compelling it's a compelling

1959
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:37,679
photo and and that

1960
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:40,239
that that town by the way has always had

1961
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:40,719
a

1962
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:47,679
uh

1963
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:50,800
very big earthquake that happened

1964
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:54,960
on october the 3rd 1873

1965
01:20:02,790 --> 01:19:58,080
and there were a lot of people who died

1966
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,800
because of it and like the

1967
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,360
i think the day after or that day where

1968
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:07,120
the the survivors were turned into the

1969
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,000
wounded

1970
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:10,480
they saw up in the sky and they saw what

1971
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:11,280
they claimed

1972
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,440
to see was like a a a a ambition of

1973
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:18,480
christ in the cross right uh

1974
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,440
the and and that was considered a

1975
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:22,719
miracle

1976
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:26,480
and obviously it is always very tempting

1977
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:26,960
to

1978
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,080
uh reinterpret such events

1979
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:32,400
not using a religious lens and saying

1980
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:33,360
well maybe

1981
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:36,560
it was a ufo uh phenomenon

1982
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:39,760
not unlike earth lights right which

1983
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,440
happened to coincide

1984
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,400
with seismic activity you know so so

1985
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:48,960
maybe that's what happened but

1986
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,360
even even after that the the there's

1987
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:53,120
been a lot of ufo activity

1988
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,239
in that little town uh ever since so you

1989
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,400
consider that a hot spot basically

1990
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:01,600
yeah yeah yeah i've seen photos of uh

1991
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:04,719
little uh you know like orb like ufos

1992
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:07,199
met up like metallic spheres coming in

1993
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,159
and out of

1994
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,560
there have this lake that is near the

1995
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,360
town that is called the chapala lake

1996
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,000
uh obviously the the the townsfolk say

1997
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,679
well that's the ufos like

1998
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:20,239
stealing our water that's the typical

1999
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,120
idea

2000
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,600
uh i'm not sure about that but obviously

2001
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,520
you cannot deny that there is a strong

2002
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,840
link between the ufo phenomenon and

2003
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,120
bodies of water

2004
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,920
like lakes yeah yeah there's been a lot

2005
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,199
of accounts of

2006
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,440
and actually people seeing drawing up

2007
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:36,719
water you know i mean

2008
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,840
there's been a few of those right this

2009
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,280
little side step has nothing to do with

2010
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,120
ufos but were you actually in mexico

2011
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:45,120
city in 1985 during the

2012
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,320
major earthquake you were there

2013
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,709
11 years old chase

2014
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,199
that must have been horrific it was

2015
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:58,960
horrific

2016
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,159
i never felt anything like that and i

2017
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,080
remember uh

2018
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:06,880
remember exactly where i was and around

2019
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,360
how i

2020
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,400
i run run downstairs to

2021
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:13,360
to search for my mother and how we

2022
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,480
hugged

2023
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,040
each other in the kitchen and wait until

2024
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,120
the the tremors stopped

2025
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,760
and obviously if we had been in another

2026
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,280
area of the city

2027
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:25,440
maybe that's where we will uh you know

2028
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,560
ended up dying

2029
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,800
you know like many people who were

2030
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,480
crushed to death

2031
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,520
after their houses uh collapsed

2032
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,360
and like i told you before we start

2033
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:37,920
recording the show

2034
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:41,120
interestingly enough in 2017

2035
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:44,560
of this that same day

2036
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:47,920
uh september 19

2037
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:51,199
night there was another major

2038
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,480
earthquake in mexico city uh that's such

2039
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:55,679
a bizarre

2040
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:58,719
that

2041
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:02,480
uh to this day uh really makes me wonder

2042
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,600
what's going on

2043
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:06,719
but yeah and it was also horrific i was

2044
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,199
uh

2045
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:09,440
obviously was not a schoolboy anymore

2046
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,239
but i was

2047
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:13,600
working you know up from back

2048
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,600
from home and and the the windows

2049
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,840
of the living room started shaking

2050
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,120
violently

2051
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:24,239
and i just ran to to the garden and i

2052
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,520
started to see you know

2053
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:28,560
all all all the houses like shaking

2054
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:31,760
horrific wow and and yeah

2055
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,159
it lasted quite a lot and and obviously

2056
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,159
since since 85

2057
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,360
we've grown accustomed to to

2058
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:42,159
earthquakes you know like sometimes it's

2059
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:42,560
not

2060
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,800
starting to move

2061
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,840
ah well starting blando and you know you

2062
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,639
get back to

2063
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:53,280
but this one this one everybody

2064
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:54,239
everybody

2065
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,440
uh you know got so

2066
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,159
uh scared by it and and it's always in

2067
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:01,679
the back of your mind to say well

2068
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
yeah i lived in california so

2069
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,960
for nine years i wrote wrote out a few

2070
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,480
of them over there but if you look

2071
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,760
around at our landscape

2072
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,159
every mountain you see every you know

2073
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,920
disruption like that

2074
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,840
that all happened through tremors right

2075
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:17,440
you know that the shifts and things

2076
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,159
those are all

2077
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,600
you know maybe there are a connection

2078
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,280
there is maybe there is a connection

2079
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:23,600
between seismic activity and

2080
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:26,960
and ufo reports we have this uh big

2081
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,080
active volcano near the city

2082
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:33,440
mount popoca capital and you keep seeing

2083
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,480
all these videos are recorded by the

2084
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,480
sensors that are keeping track of the

2085
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,840
volcanic activity

2086
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,679
and from time to time you see these

2087
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:43,360
weird lights coming in and out of the of

2088
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:44,800
the volcano

2089
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:47,600
that uh right people who say well that's

2090
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,159
probably

2091
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,800
some glitch or something and to moussani

2092
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:52,719
as well that's clear evidence that there

2093
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:53,199
the you

2094
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,800
the aliens have now people

2095
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:59,199
i don't know i just know that well

2096
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,400
that's interesting

2097
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,440
do you think that there's a up a

2098
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,800
possible explanation

2099
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,880
of something like earthquake lights when

2100
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,920
it comes i mean

2101
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,440
i've seen some of those videos when it

2102
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,440
comes to volcanoes and they look pretty

2103
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,000
compelling

2104
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,920
some of them do it's definitely i think

2105
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,239
there is but uh obviously

2106
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,360
there's also the temptation to say well

2107
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,199
that explains everything

2108
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,239
with the ufos that judge the

2109
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,560
the fact that you managed to explain a

2110
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,159
tiny fraction

2111
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:31,199
of the mystery doesn't give you the

2112
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:31,840
right

2113
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:35,040
to to say or brag that you explain it

2114
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:35,840
all

2115
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,120
and and another

2116
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:41,440
interesting possibility is like yeah of

2117
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:42,400
i think

2118
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:45,679
pla plasma phenomena like uh

2119
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:48,719
like ball lightning has to do

2120
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:51,840
with the ufo phenomenon but like uh

2121
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,880
dr massimo teodorani who is an italian

2122
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:55,760
physicist

2123
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,480
who went and investigated the hazelline

2124
01:26:03,110 --> 01:25:59,760
lights in norway

2125
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,120
in the 1990s he came to the conclu

2126
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:05,520
he came to this interesting realization

2127
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:06,639
what if those

2128
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:14,470
what if ufos are some

2129
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:17,600
type of intelligence that is plasma

2130
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:18,480
based

2131
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:22,560
while we're organic

2132
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:26,639
organic and what if from time to time

2133
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:30,400
they managed to transmogrify

2134
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:34,000
from plasma energy

2135
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,590
wow um yes some of them

2136
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:44,239
some of those uh we talked earlier you

2137
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:44,800
mentioned

2138
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,760
orbs outside or ufos orbs inside or

2139
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:49,040
ghosts

2140
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:52,639
but some some appear according to

2141
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:56,320
witnesses appear to have some type of

2142
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,360
intelligence

2143
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,960
right you know like avoiding objects or

2144
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:00,639
whatever it is

2145
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:03,679
you know and yeah there's a lot of

2146
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,239
you know as i go on in this um there's

2147
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,000
many more questions and answers

2148
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:10,159
yeah there's a wonderful book that i

2149
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,280
highly recommend

2150
01:27:17,390 --> 01:27:14,320
uh the super natural not

2151
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:17,400
not one word two separate words

2152
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,639
supernatural

2153
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,800
that was written by witness trevor and

2154
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,400
jeffrey [\h__\h]

2155
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:25,520
and one of the chapters goes into

2156
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,719
these ideas that we are talking about

2157
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:32,000
uh the chapter is titled the soul

2158
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,400
is a ufo which i think is to me

2159
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:39,199
really really interesting because it

2160
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:39,840
links

2161
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,120
all these ideas of yeah i mean ufos are

2162
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,520
maybe plasma based

2163
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,080
endowed with intelligence and maybe

2164
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:49,440
somehow related

2165
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:52,719
with us and especially to what happens

2166
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,600
to us

2167
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,080
after we die you know like uh ann

2168
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:58,560
strieber used to say

2169
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,760
yeah and uh you know there's uh that

2170
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,719
whole thing about

2171
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:05,840
out of body experiences and things like

2172
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,400
that

2173
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,880
uh mary i'm answering your question no i

2174
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,320
didn't see anything in my house

2175
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,800
that's just uh something that i've heard

2176
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,560
uh i have talked to people that have

2177
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:15,520
actually

2178
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,480
seen things in their house and move and

2179
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:20,080
bizarre stuff like that

2180
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:23,520
so uh the lines are open and that phone

2181
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,679
number is 855-472-5483 and bill is

2182
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:29,199
standing by for your

2183
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,560
calls so um anyone can call if you're

2184
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,159
over at kgra radio

2185
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:36,719
facebook twitch wherever you are that

2186
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,440
number is

2187
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:38,880
up on the screen if you can't see it

2188
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:41,360
eight five five four seven two

2189
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,239
five four eight three we had uh we broke

2190
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,080
records for calls last week

2191
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:49,120
uh everyone wanted to talk to calvin

2192
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,679
yeah yeah um all right so

2193
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,760
your interest though even though we were

2194
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,120
talking about

2195
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:58,880
you know what goes on in mexico but your

2196
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:01,920
interest is basically worldwide

2197
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,719
yeah yeah uh i don't know for some

2198
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:06,560
reason i decided to became

2199
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:10,239
myself involved with

2200
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,360
american ufologists like

2201
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:15,760
uh i mean for better or for worse

2202
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,400
english

2203
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:18,880
is the unofficial language of the

2204
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:19,840
internet

2205
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,960
right yeah yeah if you only stick

2206
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,880
to things that are written in spanish

2207
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,440
you're really not going to get too far

2208
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,719
so uh english is perfect by the way

2209
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:33,040
thank you thank you very good taking me

2210
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:34,880
taken me a while to try to

2211
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:44,070
having been able to break the

2212
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,520
language barrier uh opens you up to

2213
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,679
to not only things that happen in the

2214
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,280
united states or also things that are

2215
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:53,120
happening uh elsewhere you know in

2216
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,159
europe

2217
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:57,280
uh the united kingdom

2218
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,639
and uh

2219
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,800
unfortunately we haven't been able to

2220
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,639
break the barrier

2221
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:06,719
with china we don't know really what's

2222
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,560
happening with the

2223
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:11,280
with euro follows on that part of the

2224
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:12,800
globe hopefully

2225
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:17,120
someday we'll have more openness because

2226
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:19,760
i'm sure i'm sure those guys also have

2227
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:21,360
fascinating cases maybe even more

2228
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,960
fascinating

2229
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,120
i know james fox was doing something

2230
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:26,880
there or tried to

2231
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,199
um i i had a really good connection for

2232
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:30,800
years and he kind of disappeared off the

2233
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:31,679
map he was a

2234
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:34,880
professor in china and would report

2235
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:38,080
in some goings-on what he heard you know

2236
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,840
over there so there's definitely things

2237
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:41,360
happening yeah and

2238
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:44,639
uh um what about south america i mean

2239
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:44,880
the

2240
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,480
really taking this

2241
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,639
sub very serious every aspect of their

2242
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:56,080
government was involved

2243
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:58,480
police military everyone taking it

2244
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:59,440
serious

2245
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,840
yeah i haven't heard much from i was in

2246
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:03,199
touch with

2247
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:06,400
uh why uh trying to remember

2248
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:09,440
jose lag but i haven't heard

2249
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:11,199
anything from them in a couple years i'm

2250
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:13,199
just wondering if you ever follow any of

2251
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:13,760
that

2252
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:17,360
i know it's not mexico but yeah i mean

2253
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:19,360
it's always interesting the way that

2254
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:20,560
they they

2255
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:23,600
they took the ufo uh phenomenon

2256
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:24,639
seriously

2257
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:28,000
and they have this uh official of uh

2258
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:31,840
you know uh plays were to report

2259
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:35,199
uh uh cases and i know that uh leslie

2260
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,080
keane

2261
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:38,480
had a uh all sorts of connection with

2262
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:39,760
those guys

2263
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,400
and she was reporting in the united

2264
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:44,639
states some of the cases that those guys

2265
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,520
were

2266
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:47,520
investigating although i remember that

2267
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,800
some of those cases

2268
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:51,840
turn out to be uh uh

2269
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:55,840
explained yes like for example

2270
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,280
two of them yeah one of those were

2271
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:59,360
beetles you know like uh

2272
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,639
flying on the camera and the other one

2273
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:02,560
was pretty good too yeah it looked

2274
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,520
pretty good and

2275
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:05,280
and i think that leslie still have that

2276
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:07,040
that the right to say well

2277
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,960
that that probably no likelihood is the

2278
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:10,560
explanation but uh

2279
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,000
you're still open to maybe

2280
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,360
other things uh and

2281
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:20,400
and yeah uh there's also uh people in

2282
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:21,440
argentina

2283
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,199
uh that i think that they were moving

2284
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:25,120
toward uh

2285
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,320
also taking uh the phenomenon on a on an

2286
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:30,000
official basis

2287
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:32,239
uh i know and of course there's brazil

2288
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:33,679
you know brazil is like

2289
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:37,199
the hot spot of activity ever ever since

2290
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:38,719
i don't know

2291
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:41,840
antonio bilas boss uh abduction

2292
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,960
case which uh i still think is very

2293
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:46,239
controversial

2294
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:49,040
uh is that where he was injured uh

2295
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:51,120
burned or am i thinking something else

2296
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:53,600
no was when he was taken on board and

2297
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:54,639
and he

2298
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:58,080
uh had sex with this uh uh

2299
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:01,840
women that uh talk

2300
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,840
and all of that and some people have

2301
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:05,040
speculated that maybe

2302
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:08,239
he was the subject of uh some kind of mk

2303
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:11,679
ultra uh cia uh experiment

2304
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,760
that you know he was like doused with

2305
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:15,120
lsd or something

2306
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:18,560
and tension on board the helicopter uh

2307
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:23,040
i mean jacques ballet in his last

2308
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,320
forbidden science uh journals

2309
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,639
he mentioned that he obtained evidence

2310
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:31,280
showing that the cia did conduct

2311
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:34,960
uh fake abductions in latin america

2312
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:37,920
in brazil to be specific yeah

2313
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:38,800
unfortunately

2314
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:42,480
he hasn't said anything else and i know

2315
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,280
that uh researchers like jack brewer on

2316
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:47,360
the ufo trail tried to obtain more

2317
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:48,159
information but

2318
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:51,679
unfortunately ballet

2319
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,040
refused to to expand on it

2320
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:57,360
well there was that case where jacques

2321
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,480
charfele

2322
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:00,480
was involved with that young boy that

2323
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:02,960
supposedly

2324
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:06,320
yeah juan perez and is the basis of this

2325
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:09,280
wonderful wonderful documentary witness

2326
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:10,639
of another world

2327
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:13,440
right i cannot recommend highly enough

2328
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,000
yeah

2329
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,880
i i interviewed with greg bishop i

2330
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:18,000
interviewed the

2331
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:21,280
the filmmaker who who created that

2332
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:22,480
documentary

2333
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:26,239
uh his name alan stibelman

2334
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:29,360
and and the great guy and he also has

2335
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,239
another

2336
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:32,080
documentary that is worth your while you

2337
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:34,159
can find it uh online

2338
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:37,520
it's called mano which is kind of like

2339
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:40,639
his uh dealings with

2340
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:44,000
and andy and shannon's you know that are

2341
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:46,159
very very interesting and also kind of

2342
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,679
like related to

2343
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,920
to the ufo mystery not unlike what

2344
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:51,199
happens or as

2345
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,320
shown in in this uh documentary

2346
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:56,480
witness of another world which talks

2347
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,400
about this case that happened in 1978

2348
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:03,840
this keith this young kid at the time

2349
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,880
who uh gets inside

2350
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:09,040
what at first he thought was some kind

2351
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:10,159
of like barn

2352
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:14,000
or tractor and he interacts with these

2353
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,520
beings and um and

2354
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:19,520
what happened to him afterwards which is

2355
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,719
so interesting how

2356
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:23,440
he became like a pariah because he might

2357
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:24,639
he didn't manage

2358
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,400
never managed to adequately integrate

2359
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:31,199
what happened to him uh over the years

2360
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:31,600
you know

2361
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:35,360
he just like uh decided to shun

2362
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:39,679
everyone away and become a hermit but

2363
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,639
unfortunately he ends up receiving the

2364
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,159
help he needed

2365
01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:47,199
from people like alan and

2366
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:50,560
mr valet too yeah uh let's see we have

2367
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:51,440
someone

2368
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,880
hang on just a minute let me just do a

2369
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,199
little bit of adjusting here

2370
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:57,440
and we have uh dave calling from

2371
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:58,400
pittsburgh

2372
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,679
welcome to the show dave hey glad to be

2373
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,199
here another good show glad

2374
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:05,679
rpg could make it on with you martin all

2375
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:06,480
right

2376
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:09,760
yeah you got a question for

2377
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:12,800
yeah i sure do um there have been

2378
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:15,600
claims of people seeing or encountering

2379
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:16,639
beings

2380
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,159
and others aliens called

2381
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,800
and instantly getting the feeling that

2382
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,080
they're soulless

2383
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:27,280
and making that comment i'd like to get

2384
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:29,360
rpg's opinion on that

2385
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:32,880
um i is

2386
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,840
the innate feeling some people get you

2387
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,520
know and then

2388
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,760
if someone was born or raised without

2389
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:41,920
religion

2390
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,719
what would their reaction be i mean what

2391
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:46,159
would they think these

2392
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:49,199
beings or creatures may be lacking you

2393
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,920
know

2394
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:52,320
being that the soul is more of a you

2395
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:53,760
know faith-based

2396
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,880
idea interesting

2397
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,360
yeah i've heard uh like for example

2398
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,719
witness trevor

2399
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:03,199
talking about experiences like the ones

2400
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,840
he had

2401
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,719
and he reported in his books like

2402
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:08,080
communion

2403
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,000
that when people encounter these beings

2404
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:15,360
the fear they experience

2405
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:19,040
goes beyond just observing like

2406
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:22,320
these freakish uh entities that

2407
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,760
uh are just barely human in appearance

2408
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:27,199
that is just not

2409
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:30,639
seeing something like that like

2410
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:33,679
in real life but there is this kind of

2411
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:37,440
like fear of almost like losing your

2412
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,360
you're about to lose your soul and

2413
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,840
and teaching is very interesting you

2414
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:44,880
know to hear that

2415
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:47,679
he explains it in a in a way that when

2416
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:48,320
you

2417
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:51,840
see into the eyes of the visitors as he

2418
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:52,880
calls them

2419
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,840
that you are able because they they

2420
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:57,840
exist outside of time like we were

2421
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:58,480
saying

2422
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:01,440
that you are somehow able to glimpse

2423
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:02,159
into your

2424
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:05,199
own death and that is what terrifies the

2425
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,840
the witnesses that's an interesting idea

2426
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:09,520
i also think that maybe

2427
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:12,080
what happens is not unlike what happens

2428
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:13,040
when you are

2429
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:16,239
in in a psychedelic trance and people

2430
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,000
experience what they call as ego death

2431
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:23,360
uh and obviously to us from a western

2432
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:24,639
tradition there cannot

2433
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:27,600
there there cannot be anything more

2434
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:28,800
frightening

2435
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,159
than losing your sense of ego because

2436
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,360
we are being taught that your eye your

2437
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:37,760
sense of ego is the most important thing

2438
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,639
that the moment you lose it uh it you

2439
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:42,080
lose your identity

2440
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:45,280
as a as a human being and maybe there's

2441
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:45,840
that

2442
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:49,600
people

2443
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,639
encounter these beings as if they

2444
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:55,360
do they have souls or what we will call

2445
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,239
souls

2446
01:39:02,229 --> 01:38:59,360
or not i don't know i mean people

2447
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,239
i mean obviously the idea that these are

2448
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,159
our automatons

2449
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,400
is uh very prevalent in the culture you

2450
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:07,840
know everything right

2451
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,880
beginnings uh and it's an interesting

2452
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:12,639
possibility you know they are they

2453
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:15,920
some kind of like uh organic

2454
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,040
uh uh androids

2455
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,960
maybe maybe maybe if you come from a

2456
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,239
faraway system

2457
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,880
and you you bring a little probe that

2458
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,280
managed to gather uh dna material you

2459
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,280
managed to like 3d print

2460
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:32,159
this kind of like uh being that can

2461
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:34,000
interact with the environment that is

2462
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:34,960
accustomed to

2463
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:37,360
to the gravity and the atmosphere and

2464
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:38,800
and you can use and

2465
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:41,920
and it can uh

2466
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,360
deal with also with the

2467
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:48,000
native inhabitants of the planet better

2468
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:48,480
than

2469
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:52,000
if you just come from i don't know alpha

2470
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:53,679
centauri and whatever and you are like

2471
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:54,159
an

2472
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,040
octopi that you know grew up in a

2473
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,440
different atmosphere and and

2474
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,280
you will be crushed by the gravity of

2475
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,800
the earth you know it's better to have

2476
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,080
your own like

2477
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,960
like organic avatar you know to to do

2478
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:07,679
your

2479
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,960
dirty work uh

2480
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,719
as your other part of the question

2481
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:14,400
whether you know what will

2482
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:17,440
people who are not uh

2483
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:21,040
you know educated you know or or race

2484
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:22,000
with a

2485
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:24,880
religion what will they think of them is

2486
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:25,360
it's

2487
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,920
many different uh

2488
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,280
i mean there are so many different

2489
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:33,520
cultures and how they deal with them

2490
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,280
there is i i remember for example um

2491
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:40,400
this guy who has become uh uh something

2492
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:40,960
of a

2493
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,520
deep prasad

2494
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,000
so he's a canadian right and he is a

2495
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,440
very smart he's

2496
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:52,239
involved in com and quantum computing

2497
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:53,360
computing and all those

2498
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:55,119
well i'm sorry to interrupt you but

2499
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,280
there's there is

2500
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,080
uh there there's been a little bit

2501
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:01,679
uncovered when it comes to him

2502
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:05,600
yeah not so involved yeah i'm aware of

2503
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,480
that

2504
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,000
okay all right uh and i'm still

2505
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:12,000
willing to you know the benefit of

2506
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:13,360
myself

2507
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,400
yeah and and even though even

2508
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:19,040
even though i don't know if what the key

2509
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,000
reports

2510
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:22,719
actually happen i think i think uh i

2511
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,360
think

2512
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,760
he's telling the truth of from from his

2513
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:26,880
point of view

2514
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,229
sometimes i entertain the idea what what

2515
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,400
if he was being like the subject of some

2516
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:36,639
kind of like uh

2517
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,480
uh experiment you know something

2518
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,199
i will you be able to like beam some

2519
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,199
some kind of like holographic projection

2520
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,600
into the mind of a person if they are

2521
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,480
like

2522
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,360
lying down on their bed as he said he

2523
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:53,199
was and then he moved his head just a

2524
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:53,679
little

2525
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:56,560
and the and the beings like faded away

2526
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:57,679
is that

2527
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,960
just the indication that there was

2528
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,719
something there going on

2529
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:04,400
i don't know but getting back to the

2530
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:06,320
idea and let's entertain the

2531
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,520
the possibility that it did happen

2532
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,600
uh and and the guy i don't think he's

2533
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:13,199
religious in any

2534
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:16,239
in any formal sense uh but i think i

2535
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:16,639
guess

2536
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,310
i don't know i don't know i don't know

2537
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,840
it's a very tough question and i think

2538
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,440
it varies from person to person maybe

2539
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:29,040
something so maybe some people would

2540
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:30,719
just forget about it you know

2541
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,790
that amazing experience into your the

2542
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,800
boxes inside your head

2543
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,639
yeah so you and eventually you know

2544
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:43,840
forget about it

2545
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:46,080
yeah hey thanks for the call dave all

2546
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,470
oops the lines open eight five five four

2547
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:54,239
seven two five four eight three

2548
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:57,520
you know along those same lines um

2549
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,560
we have a situation where you have seen

2550
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,159
a situation i'm sure

2551
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:04,800
because i have a number of times where

2552
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:05,520
people have an

2553
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:08,480
encounter maybe it's a humanoid

2554
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,600
encounter as well

2555
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:11,520
yeah and then all of a sudden it's

2556
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,360
demons they think it's

2557
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,239
evil yeah you know and that's a lot of

2558
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:18,400
religion based i would imagine

2559
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,920
yeah in that case um

2560
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:23,840
so you know that's that's what they're

2561
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:25,600
entertaining in their mind

2562
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:28,960
what it is yeah uh obviously uh

2563
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,040
people say well if they are hiding

2564
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:36,239
in in in in the night and they are

2565
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:39,840
you know taking people uh

2566
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:43,119
against their will from their bedrooms

2567
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:43,520
that

2568
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:53,600
with ascribing uh

2569
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,719
human emotions and intentions to

2570
01:44:03,189 --> 01:43:59,760
what you know more purposes

2571
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,199
may be a truly alien intelligence

2572
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,080
you know like whose motives could be

2573
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,239
maybe are totally

2574
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,400
uncomprehensible to us you know it's

2575
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:12,320
something that i wrote about

2576
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,679
in an essay that was uh published in the

2577
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,560
anthology

2578
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,960
eurofold reprimanded debate you know we

2579
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:21,199
we know that that famous

2580
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:25,440
uh uh quote by by arthur c clarke

2581
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:28,159
that oh yes advanced intelligence will

2582
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:30,320
be indistinguishable from magic

2583
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:33,199
well i tried to give it a new spin and

2584
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,760
said

2585
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,320
a truly alien intelligence will be

2586
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:37,679
undistinguishable from

2587
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:41,520
uh madness

2588
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:46,400
so uh hopefully i i have another quote

2589
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,840
by him this one right here i always like

2590
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:50,800
this one

2591
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,280
uh two possibilities exist either we are

2592
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:54,960
alone in the universe

2593
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,159
or we are not both are equally

2594
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:01,520
terrifying and uh

2595
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,639
yeah like uh yeah like

2596
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:06,800
skeptics who say that people who believe

2597
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,920
in in

2598
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:10,239
god and the afterlife do it uh because

2599
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:11,360
they are terrified

2600
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,960
by by you know by death

2601
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:17,360
but you could turn it around and say

2602
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,000
well you know

2603
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:21,040
skeptics might be uh terrified by the

2604
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,360
possibility that their actions

2605
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:25,440
in this life matter to what happens to

2606
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:28,000
them in the next one

2607
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:31,119
you know yeah yeah we have we have so

2608
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,159
many questions

2609
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:34,719
uh we have about about nine minutes left

2610
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,080
just to let you know

2611
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:38,400
and uh i saw your website but i didn't

2612
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:39,360
peruse it

2613
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:42,480
and and what exactly is is that and um i

2614
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:43,440
can actually

2615
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:51,830
what is your website

2616
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:55,830
it's just like uh my own

2617
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,119
uh you know personal site that i use

2618
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:02,320
mostly as a gallery of my

2619
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:05,360
work as a as a

2620
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:08,320
graphic artist and okay that's what i

2621
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:09,040
was wondering

2622
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:13,600
okay yeah yeah i i don't really uh write

2623
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:16,159
a lot of articles specifically for that

2624
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:17,280
website i think

2625
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:20,639
most of my writing i mean nowadays goes

2626
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:25,910
www.dailyrail.com that's where we'll you

2627
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,639
will find

2628
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:29,280
uh most of my writing i also used to

2629
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,000
write for

2630
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,960
uh mysterious universe oh yeah that's a

2631
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:33,920
great

2632
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:39,760
we do have someone else i'm gonna um

2633
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,440
let's see we have uh carrie from

2634
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,719
california welcome to the show carrie

2635
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,639
hi how's it going martin long time no

2636
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:48,719
correspond all right yeah

2637
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:51,280
question um you know i had listened to

2638
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:52,560
grant one time talking about how

2639
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:54,000
everything is good with these guys and

2640
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:55,679
what they do fill up people and stuff

2641
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,600
like that we might not know about it

2642
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:59,040
and somebody called in with a great

2643
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,800
question and i think it's something that

2644
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:02,719
deserves repeating how do you think the

2645
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,229
i mean you know all the cattle

2646
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,880
mutilations that we have

2647
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,800
yeah i don't think that there's you know

2648
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,400
some really nice purpose to that yeah

2649
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,880
maybe you know what they do to us is

2650
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,560
genetics or something that can benefit

2651
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,960
us but i you know with what happens to

2652
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,880
the cattle and i just don't think that

2653
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:24,080
they're all that nice

2654
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:27,440
you know some are some aren't and uh

2655
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,040
anyway that's pretty much what i had to

2656
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,800
say i i know you

2657
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:32,400
you're friends with chris o'brien like

2658
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:35,040
myself uh right aren't you

2659
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:38,880
miguel no yeah uh yeah i actually met

2660
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:43,199
chris i want to say 23rd

2661
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:47,119
was 2013 or 2012.

2662
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:50,960
i met him at the paradigm symposium

2663
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:54,400
uh in minneapolis and i think

2664
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,320
he he hadn't yet uh published his book

2665
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:01,760
stuck in the earth yeah uh which is like

2666
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,360
i guess the biggest exploration

2667
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:08,480
of the cattle mutilation mystery

2668
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:11,840
yeah and obviously i mean that's an uh

2669
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,040
uh the cattle mutilation it's

2670
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:17,440
an interesting phenomenon that may have

2671
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:18,639
uh multiple

2672
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,080
explanations that maybe maybe uh

2673
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:25,360
the u.s government may be involved in

2674
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,480
some of them

2675
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,320
uh maybe they are they aren't because

2676
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,400
there's also they are also reported in

2677
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:32,960
countries like argentina interestingly

2678
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:33,840
enough

2679
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:36,960
uh i think kris found that they are not

2680
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:39,840
reported in countries like india where

2681
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,239
the

2682
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:43,520
not raised

2683
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:46,400
for meat consumption right and his

2684
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,600
friend

2685
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,760
david perkins he came to the idea that

2686
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:51,360
maybe this is some kind of like

2687
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,040
gaia energy that is trying to

2688
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,239
show us how our our

2689
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:00,480
meat consumption and how we are raising

2690
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:02,080
these uh animals for

2691
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,440
for uh uh

2692
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:07,440
for gathering of meat and to to keep

2693
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:08,960
eating burgers

2694
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,800
is kind of like destroying the planet

2695
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,239
you know that's uh and

2696
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,320
that's obviously an interesting and

2697
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:15,599
interesting idea

2698
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,719
yeah well it is yeah go ahead and carry

2699
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,360
theory but okay sorry it is it is

2700
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:23,119
interesting but i don't know if you guys

2701
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:23,679
have seen

2702
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,400
uh the secret of the skinwalker

2703
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:28,080
especially the last two episodes where

2704
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,119
they had a cattle

2705
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,440
uh die and they had had cattle

2706
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,880
mutilations out there

2707
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,040
their very last episode they caught what

2708
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,480
they call it on camera was when they

2709
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:38,239
cattle like they always were going off

2710
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:39,520
and stuff like that

2711
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,960
and this one cow was down and apparently

2712
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,320
they can die from stress

2713
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,239
and all of a sudden the cows started to

2714
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,560
get up and what they noticed up in the

2715
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,080
frame this was a surveillance radio

2716
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:51,520
because i mean they're doing pretty much

2717
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:52,560
a lot out there

2718
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,800
skin walker there's this disc that came

2719
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,679
into view

2720
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:57,199
and apparently the cattle are just

2721
01:50:01,589 --> 01:49:59,280
there's something with discs

2722
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,599
in the cattle and then even on uh they

2723
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,000
did a expedition unknown the new

2724
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,920
x-generation one that uh

2725
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,440
i guess i forget his name is doing it

2726
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,520
now josh i think gates

2727
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:11,199
um and they sort of did the same thing

2728
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:12,639
there were more cattle mutilations i

2729
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,520
think recently

2730
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:16,159
in oregon and they went out there trying

2731
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:17,199
to find out what it was

2732
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:18,719
and it was uh they caught something on

2733
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,280
the camera their conclusion was it was a

2734
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:23,360
helicopter but this thing was so erratic

2735
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:24,800
in flight it was a night kind of

2736
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,880
vision camera and i mean anybody who's

2737
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,480
into ufos would say no

2738
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,400
that's not capable of a plane or the

2739
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,239
government or something that's

2740
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:35,360
some other kind of craft but um i i you

2741
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,760
know

2742
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,520
yeah there's a lot of possible i think

2743
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:39,280
this whole phenomena

2744
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,719
is just you know like

2745
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,400
uh you were saying there i'm sorry

2746
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:46,560
forgot your name but uh the matrix you

2747
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,520
know it's just like

2748
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,520
expansive there's lots of explanations

2749
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,119
and there's lots of things but

2750
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,520
i do think that these craft and i do

2751
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:55,440
think that they are real

2752
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,679
there's plenty of others out there and

2753
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,800
they do do

2754
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,960
cattle mutilations some don't some do

2755
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:02,960
but i think there's a lot of evidence to

2756
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:04,960
support that

2757
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:07,679
oh well hey thanks for the call kerry

2758
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:09,679
anything else you want to add to that

2759
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,800
uh miguel well i mean

2760
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:15,840
uh i always go back to the idea of using

2761
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:16,320
the

2762
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:20,320
analogy for

2763
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:23,840
for for ufo encounters and

2764
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:26,880
to some people you know taking a a dose

2765
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,920
of lsd

2766
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:30,239
is the greatest uh thing that ever

2767
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,199
happened to them

2768
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,760
you know and and someone like uh richard

2769
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,800
alpert became

2770
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:37,760
randas you know a very loving character

2771
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:38,320
you know

2772
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:41,280
a a figure that was very positive in the

2773
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:42,080
world

2774
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,199
and as a different person

2775
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,360
the same experience turns them into

2776
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:49,280
charles manson you know like

2777
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,639
a cult leader and and someone who

2778
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:55,679
ordered the horrible murders of innocent

2779
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:56,400
victims

2780
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:59,760
you know like same experience totally

2781
01:52:01,990 --> 01:52:00,159
different

2782
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,000
outcome so maybe it's kind of like the

2783
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,320
same of of ufos what is the true

2784
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:06,639
what is the proper set and setting for

2785
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:07,920
uh ufo

2786
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:11,520
experience how how do we manage to get

2787
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:16,239
like uh some phenomenon that may not

2788
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:19,280
have the same type of uh emotions

2789
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,400
maybe they don't they don't have

2790
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:22,880
emotions like we we understand them you

2791
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,360
know

2792
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:26,320
how we manage to interact with that and

2793
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:28,000
and maybe when they interact with us

2794
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,119
from time to time

2795
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:32,239
their results force us to say well that

2796
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,480
means they're evil

2797
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,880
it's like the cultural thermostat idea

2798
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,639
that jacques ballet

2799
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,040
talks about in his books you know you

2800
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:43,520
use the thermostat and in some cases

2801
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:47,040
the warm is good but sometimes the worm

2802
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:50,880
is evil or bad but it's just depends on

2803
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:51,199
you

2804
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,360
uh good good interesting questions

2805
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:01,440
and uh so yeah we have uh just like a

2806
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:02,639
minute and a half

2807
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:05,440
uh left here um anything else you'd like

2808
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:06,400
to

2809
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:14,719
no no no no i mean they can find me at

2810
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:17,760
uh like contact me for from through my

2811
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:18,080
uh

2812
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can leave a comment there or

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or or send me an email and they can also

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uh

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www.dailyrail.com

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and uh if people find

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what they if people enjoy what they find

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in that in that

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website which is one of the longest

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01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,080
running websites in

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dealing with the paranormal that still

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exists and the and if they can

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01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,560
manage to uh support us you know through

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01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,800
patreon that will be much

2825
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:55,440
appreciated we are trying to find ways

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01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:56,719
to reward

2827
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,440
our subscribers like i think a couple of

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01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:02,080
weeks ago we we gave away a signed

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copy of passport to magonia on

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facebook yeah and we're also going to do

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uh

2832
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similar things and we're trying to come

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up with with uh

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maybe amas with with authors like adam

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go rightly

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or or others so yeah grail is

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even even if i'm not uh despite my

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in my involvement or a side of my

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01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,239
involvement the daily grail is

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01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,560
a a place that you should definitely

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01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:32,480
check out

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excellent well we are totally out of

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01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:36,159
time thank you so much it's been a real

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01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,800
pleasure

2845
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:38,560
really enjoyed it a lot great

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01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:40,000
conversation

2847
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:43,199
yeah all right all right take care yeah

2848
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bye uh all right everyone so we are on

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next week

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with uh avi loeb uh going to be talking

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01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:51,119
about his book and umua and space and

2852
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:52,400
all kinds of great stuff

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01:55:07,500 --> 01:54:54,320
thank you so much everyone and remember